Survey on culture in the UK - 'trans rights' questions

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19% of people say 'trans rights have not gone far enough' in the UK.
39% say 'trans rights have gone too far'.

That's a really big change in the past five years.

'The proportion who say transgender rights have gone too far in the UK has more than doubled since 2020, from 17% to 39%, though overall there is still no public consensus on the issue, with 19% now saying transgender rights have not gone far enough, 27% saying they’ve gone as far as they should, and a further 15% not giving an opinion.
The proportion of people who say transgender rights have gone too far has doubled among all age groups – even 16-24s, where one in five (19%) now feel this way, compared with around one in 10 (9%) in 2020. However, young people are still more likely to say transgender rights have not gone far enough (36%).'

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uks-sense-division-reaches-new-high-culture-war-tensions-grow-study-finds

Article:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/growing-number-of-britons-think-trans-rights-have-gone-too-far/

I mean when they are attacked, whether physically or verbally, the can go to the police.

They have this right, just as everyone does.

I agree. Trans is a protected characteristic. As I said, I don't think trans rights have gone too far.

They already can, as can everyone.

Unless you are thinking that a man being called a man is a verbal attack? They could still report to the police, particularly in Scotland, but may get short shrift depending on who picks up the report.

Are you kidding me? They have this right and they absolutely abused it to silence and harass women and anyone who doesn’t agree with them. A news reader was just censured by the BBC for her facial expression FFS. A woman was threatened with prosecution for tying ribbons to a fence. West Yorkshire police sent 2 police officers on an overnight trip to Wiltshire to interview a woman about a tweet where she (accurately) used the word castrated. Women have lost their jobs and been hounded out of careers and communities for saying that sex is real. The list is fucking endless. Where have you been for the last 10 years?

A trans man is a man and a trans woman is a woman.
You can disagree all you want, but if you are going to hate on them for their identity and are constantly trying to take away their right to be themselves then you are being abusive.

That isn’t an example of ‘trans rights having gone too far though’.
The ‘going too far’ was caused by the likes of Stonewall distorting the law pre the SC ruling and so trans identified men gained the apparent ‘right’ to use women’s services (inc prisons), engage in women’s sports yet.

Sorry, you're going to need to be a bit more specific. So far you're not making a lot of sense. What 'right to be themselves' are you talking about? In what context?

It's abusive to try to gaslight those around them into not only believing their fantasy, but validating it. A TW is a man. If they were a women, there would be no need for the trans prefix.

It's abusive to force rape victims to call their rapist she, and to relive that experience in front of what may or may not be a man, because simply asking that question is too hurtful.

For the last 40 years I have been listening to the converation regarding trans issues. Would you feel ok if someone were allowed to show anti gay or anti non-white sentiment?
The trans community want to fit into society, but are being held back by the same people who are derisive or "pulling faces" at trans issues.

You are wrong both in scientific fact and UK law. This is an objective not a subjective definition.
I do not hate trans people for their identity. As someone who is gender critical I reject gender stereotypes and roles and so a man should be perfectly free to call himself what he wants, wear what he wants. They have an absolute right to be themself - but they can’t have the right to be something that they aren’t.

Again, this is so vague it's not possible to even know what you're talking about.

Trans women are women and should be free to use women's spaces.
This is not going too far, it's seeing them for who they are.

What makes a transwoman a woman.

And again, you are asserting a factual and legal fallacy.
what do you mean by ‘woman’ in your assertion?

Have you been under a rock the last few years? Are you aware of the Supreme Court ruling which determined that the terms “man” and “woman” in the Equality Act refer to biological sex and not gender identity? Honestly….🤔

@Gnasher1981 , I think you missed my question. What makes you think that men who identify as transwomen are safer than other men?

Body dysmorphia is a genuine mental illness.

And should receive treatment just like any other mental health illnesses such as agoraphobia, anorexia, depression etc.

We don't deliberately allow agoraphobics to stay indoors for ever.
We don't deliberately allow anorexics to stop eating.
We don't deliberately allow depressives to self harm.

So, why to we tell body dysmorphia sufferers that they can change sex?

Nobody is forcing rape victims call their abusers "she", and using this example to attack the trans community is disingenuous.
A trans woman is a woman and compairing them to rapists is why there needs to be more laws; to stop your abusive rhetoric.

It is not an illness. Just like with homosexuallity, you can't 'treat' it or pray it away, like backwards people thought we could in the past.

Say what? And let’s be clear here, if they are attacked it’s likely to be by other men and not women, and what about all the raving TRA that repeatedly attack women both physically and verbally. I think the police support is lacking on that side, not with the speshul ones, look at Ms Watson for a start.

We do, men.

we don’t see them for who they pretend to be.

They position re rape victims has now been corrected but in the recent past that was the position, as laid out in the ‘Bench book’.
A victim of physical attack by a transwoman had her compensation reduced because she’d ‘misgendered’ him. This is all a matter of public record. Facts, not opinion.

The only TW who are ‘compared to rapists’ are the ones who actually are rapists. There are numerous examples, unfortunately.

Because, statistically, cis men are far more likely to commit violent or sexual assault than trans women.
I know a few trans people and they are all very nice and non abusive, whereas I know plenty men who should not be allowed to leave the house unsupervised.

Stop equating homosexuality to trans. It’s not the same thing at all.