Government announces 10 Million pound boost to protect Muslim communities

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https://x.com/DadRogd/status/1981327249870569889

this money will go towards CCTV, alarms and fencing round mosques….

Meanwhile there are SO MANY other areas of the country that are desperate for a financial boost….Why is this one religion put on a pedestal? This particular religion that doesn’t treat women as equals.

Women are speaking freely and clearly on this very thread. The post by Challist was disgusting, however. MNHQ has a legal duty to zap hate speech. Btw @mnhq goes nowhere. You need to contact them via the report button if you want to discuss the deletion.

Well, yes. I imagine those who oppose Hamas are fearful and in hiding. When someone shows you who they are believe them. Hamas has shown what it is - a vicious, terrorist ideology that slaughters all opponents.

Don't be disingenuous, @Grammarnut . That level of glib dishonesty just removes all credibility from your posts. Are you actually interested in the war or just in winning at online chat?
You must know that I am talking about the tens of thousands of Gaza's people killed by Israeli attacks , including (I think) 18,500 children and often in violation of international law.
I don't know how many Palestinians have been killed by Hamas, but it is a safe bet that it is very very very much less than 67,000.

And they always rise. Hamas murdered and raped 1200 people who were innocent civilians (and some soldiers including women who raped) on 7th October. Currently Hamas is shooting its opponents in the streets of Gaza. The UN has now revised its death toll in Gaza to 68k - which is appalling. However, those people were killed because a) Hamas started a war on Oct 7th and b) because Hamas commits the war crimes of hiding within the civilian population, not wearing uniforms, using schools and hospitals and mosques as sites for their opperations, which makes those places targets for the enemy, who did tell people to get out of them prior to attacks. Hamas also starved and murdered the 250 hostages they took on Oct 7th, a war crime. There is no sign among returning Gazans that anyone is starving. There are reports from Palestinian women that Palestinian male aid workers are demanding sex for food, i.e. raping Palestinian women.
I want Hamas out along with the destructive Hezbollah and the Houthis in Yemen, all of whom follow the same misogynistic and jihadist creed.

Lucky you. The comparison however is incorrect.

This £52m fund is split between local London councils and is for all community crime prevention measures, not buildings.

What any council spends it on depends on their own priorities - it's not something i.e. any community centre can apply for and get if they can demonstrate a need.

I think quite a lot where I am is spent on burglary advice etc. I'm not aware of any grants available where I am, and my group unlike many others does keep track of that sort of things.

The Met also hasn't been interested. We were told to get "better" i.e. high security fences like it was our fault! We could afford our own CCTV but not that!

There also doesn't sound like there is much an application process for religious buildings. So they may very well actually have the funds for it themselves.

https://x.com/KhadijaKhan__/status/1981634311892668878

No religion treats women as equal. They were all written by men. Mainly to control other men, so they gave great leeway in what a man could do with his living female “property”. Read all of the religious texts and this is abundantly clear. Especially for the religions stemming from Abraham’s sons.

Religions are not just texts. Countries have moved on in various ways so here Christianity is not as onerous as another religion elsewhere. That’s easy to see when comparing the lives of women and girls.

"We have separation of church and state..."

And I'm the Pope 🤣🤣🤣

Tell that to the abused young girls in the US being forced to give birth.

Really? You skip over all the oppression and atrocities in the Afghanistan and countries like it. Why?

But yes you’re proving my point, it’s not just religious text it’s the experience of women and girls as I’ve said.

Much as I'm not a huge fan of Farage etc, I sometimes think Reform need to win to wake some people up. It feels like the choice is to stay silent out of some misplaced sense of political correctness and allow more women to be raped/sexually assaulted, or to speak up and accept that some innocent men may face a backlash through association by proxy.

I never thought I'd see the day where women were happy to accept sexual assaults to spare men looking bad about male violence!

If the far right weren't constantly threatening the safety of mosques and the people who attend them this wouldn't have been necessary.

And if Islamic men weren't sexually assaulting western women by the thousands (sometimes in a single night!) and hadn't been considered by MI5 to be the greatest threat to public safety for the past two decades then it's unlikely the far right would be angry with them. People seem to forget things like the Manchester Arena bombing pretty quickly. And of course that was hardly the start. Even 9/11 was far from the start of it.

Nobody is worried about Sikhs and Hindus.

There is a general fund for places of worship that Gurdwaras and Hindu temples can access. There hasn't been the same need that threatens the security of people living near then to the same extent, so not a special fund like Jewish temples or Mosques, but the same fund that other places of worship have.

None of these arguments about how worryingly misogynistic the culture that the Muslim religion inculcates is (which, I agree with to a large extent though, as I've said above, I think Christianity and pretty much all religions are misogynistic) are relevent, though.

We aren't talking about promoting Islam. Those arguments don't even try to address whether or not it's a good idea to spend public money on protecting buildings from crime when we know they are more likely to be targeted than other buildings.

Stopping crime like this isn't about protecting the men who abuse women, it's about protecting the people - male and female, Muslim and all others - who live near those buildings and about keeping public expenditure down.

That is some shit reasoning.

Saying that it's okay to spend a small amount of public money on crime prevention for buildings that have become targets of crime is, in your mind, someone saying they are happy to accept sexual assault to spare men looking bad?

It must be hard to go life being that spaced out.

You keep referring to this one terrible incident - do you think it justifies hate crimes against Muslim men, women and children? I assume not, but then why do you keep bringing it up. Muslim women were not responsible for those sexual assaults, yet they are still targeted because of their faith. Why don’t you care about the safety of those women?

Protection is needed when racists are attacking babies.

www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/25530836.shock-baby-sprayed-racist-attack-worcester/

It isn't simply what is written in the books, but the culture in which those books are read and used and how or if that culture changes. So Christian countries now have far more rights for women - based within Christian texts, too. Also neither of the founders of Christianity advocted raping women, beating them or treating them violently, or that they were expected to provide sex whenever demanded by their husband - the first founder treated women as equal to men in all his dealings and said that a wife came before her husband's parents (in the context of honouring your parents), the second reiterated constantly that Christians were to love each other, not argue with each other, and be faithful husbands and wives in monogamous marriages (and he told the women in Corinth to stop arguing about him and another preacher, and did so because he was asked to do so by Chloe and her people - it only applies to Corinth, btw and he told the men to stop arguing as well).
Since Christians believe that the first founder is God on earth his attitude to women is that not only advocated by him as a man but promulgated as God's will. They are equal to men. (Which some Christians upset by a female archbishop should take note of.)

I am worried about the rights of Muslim women. I hope everyone is.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-mosque-vandalised-scots-first-36142614

Glasgow mosque vandalised with hateful graffiti discovered yesterday.

People think unmoderated social media is wonderful but in reality giving racists a platform to say anything they want without consequence spills over into hateful incidents offline IMHO. This is why the Muslim community need funding for protection.