Sadiq Khan cover up of London rape gangs

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2122808/sadiq-khan-grooming-gang-files

This is no surprise after his disgusting responses to the Mayoral Questions last year:

Here he is lying: https://www.google.com/search?q=sadiq+khan+rape+gang+issue+mayoral+questiohns&sca_esv=fbaa7d3b9c35fdd6&udm=7&biw=1445&bih=698&sxsrf=AE3TifPy7V-EXPq_LwF7YzJkipNKJdaksQ%3A1761031972512&ei=JDf3aI_3HqO5hbIPltjWgAI&ved=0ahUKEwiPmaOp47SQAxWjXEEAHRasFSAQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=sadiq+khan+rape+gang+issue+mayoral+questiohns&gs_lp=EhZnd3Mtd2l6LW1vZGVsZXNzLXZpZGVvIi1zYWRpcSBraGFuIHJhcGUgZ2FuZyBpc3N1ZSBtYXlvcmFsIHF1ZXN0aW9obnNIqwtQ6wFYhQpwAXgBkAEBmAFroAGZBqoBAzguMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCAaACBsICChAAGLADGNYEGEeYAwCIBgGQBgSSBwExoAf5CLIHALgHAMIHAzItMcgHBA&sclient=gws-wiz-modeless-video#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:4d0001a7,vid:noJCNh60lfk,st:0

He has to go.

You think she’d have been safe(r) in care?!

Many (most?) of the Rochdale victims were looked after children.

It’s the constant problem of wanting to appear good whilst not actually being good. Being good is sometimes hard and uncomfortable, looking good is comparatively easy.

Khan threads generally go like that on mn

I think that without religious leaders a lot of people are just lost. So they look to form a set of views and opinions based on one individuals prescribed take on the world. So whilst the BBC and teh Guardian hold the keys to "right think" they will prescribe to:

Trans women are women
Isreal is an evil entity
Pakistani men did not rape girls
White por people are the most dangerous in the country

Without ever actually considering how these issues actually play out in this country. They follow, they do not think. So those that do manipulate them. Maybe that is simplistic and denying agency but I just cannot fathom the constant denials in the face of overwhelming evidence.

They were also a family that let their daughter down. Charlene's parents had known paedophile stay at their house, and didn't report Charlene missing for three days. I have zero sympathy for them.

Yes. Full of 'sophisticated' Londoners who love Ulez, and don't thibk anyone outside London is entitled to an opinion.

I do love Ulez, it's true.😀

@labtest57 In this specific case I assume you do still have sympathy for Charlene, the victim? And so still feel angry with the Police for the failed investigation?

It was Nazir Afzal, the prosecutor in the Rotherham cases who said that it was a stain on his community. He's of Pakistani descent. I find it surprising that more don't say,

"These were evil actions, don't by wicked men. They are not a part of and don't represent our community."

He was an important cog in the machine which helped bring charges, he said it was ridiculous to fear accusations of racism, allowing them to continue.

He seems far more liberal minded than Khan, for all his trans grovelling protestations.

We've already covered this up thread.

She was a 14 year old child, presumed murdered. Yeah her family background was awful, but she wouldn't have been safer in the care system in Blackpool

This deserving/undeserving victims narrative is the reason why grooming survivor's have been let down for so long.

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How could I not have sympathy for Charlene? She was a victim from birth, but she as just as likely to have been killed by one of the numerous paedophile her parents invited into the home, as she was by the takeaway owners. I don't for a minute think she was ground up into a kebab. That's media sensationalism

I have never implied that Charlene was a deserving victim. I believe she was a neglected child at risk in the home and on the streets. Please dont imply that I have in anyway blamed her for her fate

Me too actually

But we will never know for sure who killed her and see them punished because the Police didn't properly investigate the case and destroyed any chance of a prosecution because they cared so little for her, in no small part because her parents were seen as worthless.

It is contagious, infecting the response to the victims and the Police allow the predators to do as they please. The same was seen in the Savile inquiry. The victims seen being seen as worthless, often due to the unpalatable views and behaviour of their family and friends allows the Police dereliction of duty.

I agree. There was the case of Paige Chivers, also in Blackpool, not long after, where police recorded her age as 45 instead of 15, so didn't bother looking for. It's unforgivable

@Bringemout thanks for sharing this, it is a very interesting read and chimes with what Maggie Oliver has said.

I think you misunderstood my reference but defrazzled covers it well.

Her family background is im sure a key reason why the police investigation was so poor. They looked at her parents, Charlene's troubled background, her history of trouble at school, social services involvement and chalked her and her family up as 'undeserving' victims.

If charlene had come from a nice middle class family with good jobs the police response would have been different, they would be deserving.

Deserving/undeserving is about how the police perceive victims and therefore the response they receive.

Ok. Sorry, I misunderstood. Yes completely agree that her family background influenced the investigation, or lack thereof. The Millie Dowler case, the previous year, was a marked comparison.

I think it’s hard for people within a community to criticise it, it feels like giving succour to people who want to think the worst of you anyway, primarily racists. Also most people who are disgusted by this will see it as very much nothing to do with them, they don’t know these people and have nothing to do with it.

People from Pakistan are a diverse group, you will have people from all over Pakistan with different cultures. They may not identify with each other at all. Punjabis, kashmiris, sindhis etc etc. the gangs appeared to be primarily mirpuri kashmiris according to reports, thats the other side of pakistan from the sindhi’s. Technically you are from the same country but in a lot of ways you have distinct, language and traditions etc.

The thread in AIBU seems very childish. It's possible to believe Sadiq Khan has been a reasonable mayor targeted by racists and that he didnt respond well to questions about this particular issue. Of course rape gangs can involve people from any race but race has been a factor in failing to investigate. So has power with rich white men not being investigated but that doesnt excuse not investigating rape gangs either.

Maybe county lines are a bigger problem in London but it doesnt seem like the information is available to say that. www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/we-dont-want-create-panic-32466875

It is shocking that these men can so easily get 20 other men to participate in rape of kids.

Do you think she deserves justice?

Exactly this.

She deserves justice, regardless of who her parents are and what they did.

Exactly. Even if county lines is a ‘bigger’ problem in London, I’d expect him to be able to deal with more than one issue at at time. isn’t that his job?

When it comes to VAWG, there’s always a ‘bigger’ issue that needs to be dealt with first 🙄