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SpryReader · 2025-10-13T20:42:26+00:00

A 17 year old committed suicide and this is his response. Does this sit right with you?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 15/10/2025 22:58

Howseitgoin · 14/10/2025 03:48

Are you even a parent?

How would you feel if it had been your child who was discussed in such an egregious fashion just to score political points?

Or is heinous political point scoring over the death of children excused when they don't meet your standards of acceptability?

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He was't discussing the child. He was discussing the PN article.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 15/10/2025 23:07

Howseitgoin · 14/10/2025 03:57

Tens of thousands of children have been given puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and surgeries. To suggest this has been beneficial to mental health outcomes is to suggest that these tens of thousands of children would have otherwise committed suicide. It’s a lie.

And millions of children have been given mental health drugs. To suggest this has been beneficial to mental health outcomes is to suggest that these millions of children would have otherwise committed suicide.

See where this bogus logic goes?

"Yet there is no data to back up this claim, in fact there’s the opposite."

Social acceptability is a broadly accepted suicide risk for the general population Are you seriously suggesting trans people are socially broadly acceptable? Hate crime rates would beg to differ.

"Yes. I hear someone who won’t take the good news that children don’t kill themselves and instead wants to twist it into a requirement to sterilise children.
That you’re willing to crank up a fake suicide risk to suit your narrative at the expense of unnecessarily medicalising children is very telling."

A consensus of medical experts globally disagree.

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And millions of children have been given mental health drugs. To suggest this has been beneficial to mental health outcomes is to suggest that these millions of children would have otherwise committed suicide.

Given https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6493906/ and similar research indicating that suicide rates in youth can increase on antidepressants, this isn't the convincing analogy that you think it is.

Antidepressant‐Induced Suicidality: An Update - PMC

Evidence suggests that antidepressant treatment may in some cases result in worsening depression and increased risk of suicidality in pediatric and adolescent patients. The United States Food and Drug Administration requires that antidepressants ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6493906/

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 15/10/2025 23:20

SundayAfternoonTea · 15/10/2025 17:19

There are issue with cross NHS department working - I'm aware of one with someone with an eating disorder.

Children and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS) can be reluctant to take on low mood cases with other complex mental health diagnosis be that eating disorders, gender etc. They feel they don't have the expertise.

Not to go into too much detail here but behind suicidal thoughts are often a mistaken beliefs someone's problems are intractable and unsolvable. Here exacerbated by pro suicide websites which are really, really dangerous.

Unfortunately then the gender services often see the "solution" to be transitioning without considering other comorbidities.

I also feel some of the doom mongering falsehoods I see on trans websites dangerous i.e. that "we" want to eradicate trans / trans have no future in this country etc.

Which is probably one reason why coroner cited long wait times specifically rather than gender distress.

All in all the NHS needs to do better. Mental health services are not fit for purpose.

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This is the actual failing. Children get no support whilst each service claims that the child is too complex to treat. Each region should have one mental health service for children that has all the specialisms in it.

ArabellaSaurus · 16/10/2025 07:54

SundayAfternoonTea · 15/10/2025 17:19

There are issue with cross NHS department working - I'm aware of one with someone with an eating disorder.

Children and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS) can be reluctant to take on low mood cases with other complex mental health diagnosis be that eating disorders, gender etc. They feel they don't have the expertise.

Not to go into too much detail here but behind suicidal thoughts are often a mistaken beliefs someone's problems are intractable and unsolvable. Here exacerbated by pro suicide websites which are really, really dangerous.

Unfortunately then the gender services often see the "solution" to be transitioning without considering other comorbidities.

I also feel some of the doom mongering falsehoods I see on trans websites dangerous i.e. that "we" want to eradicate trans / trans have no future in this country etc.

Which is probably one reason why coroner cited long wait times specifically rather than gender distress.

All in all the NHS needs to do better. Mental health services are not fit for purpose.

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Yes, and there are reports of GPs being wary of treating anyone with declared dysphoria or gender issues, which could also mean mental health issues go unaddressed.

Long waiting times should absolutely be addressed; but its also essential that the diagnosis is 'holistic', as Cass noted, and any comorbidities treated. Speeding up gender service appointments may not have much positive impact on mental health or low mood if these remain untreated. And the evidence does show that MH outcomes worsen post surgery.