Glimmer: do you think this is acceptable?

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A 17 year old committed suicide and this is his response. Does this sit right with you?

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I’m not aware of this. Could you explain the nuances?

I didn’t know that. Thank you for telling me.

I’m not policing anyone’s speech. He has the right to say it, and I’m allowed to think it’s disgusting.

What Pink News said is disgusting, you mean. Using a young person's suicide to further a harmful political agenda. Despicable.

I agree they are irresponsible and part of the narrative to scared parents that it’s better to affirm your child than have them die by suicide.

Also don’t think Glinner should be posting flippant paraphrases like that. Also irresponsible in terms of playing into the narrative that terfs are cold hearted and want the destruction of trans people.

Suicide used to be a criminal offence. The 'commit' part refers to committing a crime, like committing murder or committing fraud.

IMO, it's not flippant, it's furious. So I don't agree that it's playing into the "cold-hearted terfs" narrative, either.

Yes and he deleted it. Where did you get it from? It was I believe deleted by the time you posted this thread. Did you actually get it direct?

R.e. nuances where someone has a mental illness, as well as here being encouraged, it may be that they did not have mental capacity.

"Committed" implies mental capacity or a choice.

Necessary preventative treatment?

You've lost a bit of text:

Leia experienced hostility from certain sections of the community and links on social media inciting those like Leia to suicide.

There are multiple factors that led Leia to the point on the 6th November 2024 where she [died by suicide, I'm not quoting the method].

That bold text is probably the most important part.

What a tragic loss of a young life.

Exactly.

I have said this before: the suicide myth has been frequently and vehemently debunked on many occasion by many people. You would think that everyone could agree that this is a good thing: children and young people aren’t killing themselves because of lack of access to hormones and surgery.

But no, the likes of Pink News and other trans activists seem to want there to be a suicide risk. They need it, because without it they’re just saying children and young people should alter their bodies for cosmetic reasons, and they know it isn’t enough. They absolutely play on any suicide to further their agenda and it’s disgusting, and good on anyone who points out their disgusting agenda.

That's a take I'd not thought of. Anger makes more sense than flippancy, and then deleted when someone points out that it looks flippant because that's not what he meant.

Are you not aware of the enormous amount of money that Graham's pro-women stance has cost him since he 'came out fighting'?

Whether you agree with his views and his actions or not, surely you can't actually believe that he is doing this to get rich - when he was already very comfortably off, with the ongoing potential for making plenty more to the present day and way beyond - all of which he has now lost in his pursuit of the cause?

Tweets like this, and worse, are why I have him blocked.

He deleted it well before the OP posted - so a very misleading thread.

I understand why Graham deleted his tweet - he doesn't need yet another grilling by the Inquisition, aka British police working as gender compliance enforcers. But you will soon learn that genderists accept NO form of words which differs even slightly from their own. No Debate means exactly that: agree or be silent.

When you realise that any original thought, question or comment will be received and censured as genocidal hate speech, you might decide to give up trying to be kind, tolerant and reasonable. I certainly did: I value my sanity.

I agree that Graham was attacking Pink News for grossly oversimplifying the tragic circumstances of this poor young person's death and exploiting it to push their own agenda - the quotation marks make it obvious.

But then he likely deleted it because people either didn't get the point of what he was actually saying and whom he was actually blaming, or otherwise they were bad actors deliberately twisting and misrepresenting his words; and I'm sure he would not have wanted the grieving family to have been further distressed in any way by these misrepresentations that were falsely (and nastily) attributed as being levelled at them and their child rather than at the manipulative media.

The clinic he was on a waiting list for wasn't necessarily going to provide any "gender-affirming" interventions to him anyway. Could have ended up being psychotherapy targeted to his condition.

And having a waiting list of years is shockingly bad no matter what the medical complaint is.

PN's approach is to try and scare parents and doctors into allowing/performing drastic surgery on seriously disturbed and unhappy youngsters by saying they will commit suicide if they are prevented from going ahead.

I think Glinner is right to call this out. No young person should be encouraged to think that this mutilation will put right all their problems. If such a decision is to be made it must be made in a fully sound mind.

However, it's too heavy handed and he obviously changed his mind about it and deleted it.

It's ironic that a lot of people deliberately channel Count Arthur Strong (a foolish and irritating comedy character with whom GL was involved in bringing to TV) and his tactics of twisting people's (usually justified) criticisms of him fallaciously back on to them, when they criticise Graham.

For some reason my copy and paste is going amiss. Thanks to who amended the coroner's report I copied.

The Pink News Headline is explicitly contrary to the Samaritans Guidelines on reporting suicide.

In summary, highlighting a single reason especially in a headline, is an oversimplification that poses risks to those who may identify with that issue.

https://media.samaritans.org/documents/Guidance_for_reporting_on_inquests_FINAL_xjL1HHW.pdf

I understand your position and generally have reached the same conclusion that nothing I can say can make many of these people see me anything other than an evil bigot. Online anyway. But I am not going to compromise my values and join in by being unreasonable. For me, making any comment about the cock of a dead child, is grim, and terfs who do so deserve the cold hearted moniker. They also contribute to the divide, that doesn’t help the confused kids that they profess to be fighting for.

As a pp said, ‘committed’ refers to the fact that suicide used to be considered a crime, so using the phrase ‘committed suicide’ implies that it’s against the law, which is no longer the case.

It’s not meant to be reasonable it’s using irony to respond to a shocking way of reporting

Has Glinner been roundly condemned or even just called out by the GC community for his dehumanisation & demonisation of trans people? No.

They are very ready willing & able to turn a blind eye. Effectively they are A OK with it all.

"if there's a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis."

-German saying.