Glimmer: do you think this is acceptable?

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A 17 year old committed suicide and this is his response. Does this sit right with you?

Well, they are saying he would have lived if he'd been able to get castrated.

In a statement, a spokesperson for the trans campaign group TransLuscent said Leia’s death was a “direct consequence of a healthcare system designed to delay, obstruct, and ultimately deny necessary medical treatment to vulnerable trans youth.”

This doesn't mean psychotherapy or any non-existent medication to make dysphoria go away. It means his sexual development should've been arrested when puberty began, rendering him permanently a little boy in that department, then his childlike penis and testes surgically removed. They definitely consider 17 an appropriate age for surgical castration, if not sooner.

Graham wasn't wrong. The whole article is about 'the cock of a dead child'.

Suicidality risk factors for the general population include familial & societal rejection. Suicidality risk increases further where multiple risk factors are present like mental health problems, addiction to substances, homelessness & unemployment all of which trans people experience at a higher rate.

Not 'passing' increases all those risk factors so it stands to reason that trans people are in a high risk category for suicide or suicide ideation. That the numbers may not necessarily reflect the increased risk is a function of trans people being small in numbers & having received familial, medical & social support that may have mitigated those risks.

OP I really hope you will ask for this thread to be removed. This man’s behaviour - in the context - is vile & anything that might draw the attention of bereaved parents - already suffering terribly - to it is not desirable.

I hear you but I'm torn because I think the more people understand who this person is the less he will be lionised as some free speech hero. I also think the support he receives from the GC community has emboldened him so he's not the only one culpable here. Therefore it's imperative to highlight how this sort of unacceptable discourse is facilitated.

Glinner wasn't dehumanising this child. He was denouncing Penis News's irresponsible and inaccurate claim that the GIDS waitlist was the main or only cause of this child's suicide. The coroner mentioned the GIDS waitlist as one of several factors, acknowledging that Leia may have had clinical depression, and then went on to say:

Leia experienced hostility from certain sections of the community and links on social media inciting those like Leia to suicide.

There are multiple factors that led Leia to the point on the 6th November 2024 where she [died by suicide, I'm not quoting the method].

There are multiple factors

It's there, in black-and-white, that Leia's suicide was caused by more than one thing.

Penis News are irresponsible propagandists whose mode of reporting contravenes Samaritans' guidance and so increases the risk of suicide amongst trans people. Why aren't you and other TRAs calling Penis News out?

As the sensible people have been saying, he's drawing attention to the disgusting stance of Pink News. It's very obviously not what he believes himself.

Nice rationalisation but Glinner has form in using such rhetoric & there simply are no excuses for that kind of language in that kind of circumstance in a civilised society.

That the numbers may not necessarily reflect the increased risk is a function of trans people being small in numbers & having received familial, medical & social support that may have mitigated those risks.

So “trans kids” aren’t “15 times more likely to commit suicide” then are they. It’s a lie.

And it’s a lie that medical treatment is one of those mitigating factors. Because otherwise there would have been an epidemic of “trans kids” taking their own lives before medicalisation took hold, especially seeing as “trans kids have always been here” but there wasn’t, was there.

The reality is children who are gender distressed have other things driving their mental health distress that puts them at the same risk as their peers with mental health distress who are not gender distressed, like Michael Biggs found when he looked at the thousands presenting to the Tavistock over years.

You’re just perpetuating the Pink News lie. You should be pleased that children and young people don’t take their own lives at the rate that is claimed, but you’re not pleased either, you want there to be a high number to make your pathetic point of a need to medicalise children.

Why aren’t you glad that children and young people don’t take their own lives at the rate suggested?

I did not say it was either reasonable nor unreasonable. I passed no judgement at all. I merely pointed out that you were mistaken in your assumption that these were his own sentiments.
Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension. You misunderstood both Glinner's post and mine.

Er yes can you not read?! Someone pointed out this post was unacceptable and he took it down immediately? Doesn't that count...

The ones who are repeating his post are the TRAs who are irresponsibly quoting this headline when it is incorrect and goes against best practice in reporting on suicide - i.e. risking trans identifying youths in a similar situation.

@maudelovesharold I'm aware of that meaning of "committed" too, but another reason is the one I explained specifically from a mental health perspective.

And it’s a lie that medical treatment is one of those mitigating factors. Because otherwise there would have been an epidemic of “trans kids” taking their own lives before medicalisation took hold, especially seeing as “trans kids have always been here” but there wasn’t, was there.

Why people take their own lives isn't always clear particularly in times when it was socially unacceptable to admit the reason. If someone took their own life because they were gay in 1950 it might have been never known why. Transgenderism has only increased in social acceptability in recent years as has a more sophisticated approach to analysing suicidality.

"The reality is children who are gender distressed have other things driving their mental health distress that puts them at the same risk as their peers with mental health distress who are not gender distressed, like Michael Biggs found when he looked at the thousands presenting to the Tavistock over years."

As I said people who have multiple suicide risk factors makes them more susceptible to suicidality. So I agree trans people are more likely to have multiple factors that make them more vulnerable to suicide or suicide ideation. But in saying that any relief of pressure decreases the risk. While suicide numbers for trans people can be confounded by their numbers & mitigating factors most studies show that gender affirming care at the very least helps in that it prevents a deterioration in mental health which is usually expected without it. Whether a trans person 'passes' is integral in preventing discrimination/social unacceptability which again is a precursor to poor mental health & by extension vulnerability to suicide.

This is all to say the lack of access to gender affirming care is an indirect cause to suicidality.

"Why aren’t you glad that children and young people don’t take their own lives at the rate suggested?"

Are you even listening? The rate is irrelevant because it can be confounded IE we don't actually know. What we do know from suicidality in general is that the less risk factors which include social acceptability & good mental health prevent it so it stands to reason trans people are at an increased risk AND any treatment that can prevent risks increasing is helpful. That you can't accept self evident facts because it suits your narrative at the expense of suicidality of children is very telling.

The point is that people who hate Glinner will wilfully misunderstand his comment to try and score brownie points.

He was furious with Penis News insinuating that the child died by suicide because gender-affirming surgery hadn’t been carried out. On a 17 year old child. 17!!!!

The quote marks are the giveaway that it’s not his opinion. He’s paraphrasing what PN “reported”.

And when Glinner later deleted he replied to acknowledge that he’d posted in anger.

I don’t agree with Glinner on everything but I actually understand his anger here.

To use a child’s death to further your agenda while purposefully misrepresenting the facts - against all the advice of mental health and suicide charities - well, it’s utterly despicable.

If you think Glinner’s comment is the issue here and not the deliberately misleading reporting, or the manipulation of the facts around a child’s death, then there’s nothing more to say…

"Someone like his lawyer?

We have no idea what motivated him to take the post down which I suspect was for his own self preservation rather than any sense of remorse that doesn't change that he posted it AND that he's been on this merry rampage with nary a whisper to tone down the dehumanisation.

"The ones who are repeating his post are the TRAs who are irresponsibly quoting this headline when it is incorrect and goes against best practice in reporting on suicide - i.e. risking trans identifying youths in a similar situation."

Publicising facilitators of suicide is hardly against best practice.

Are you even a parent?

How would you feel if it had been your child who was discussed in such an egregious fashion just to score political points?

Or is heinous political point scoring over the death of children excused when they don't meet your standards of acceptability?

Why people take their own lives isn't always clear particularly in times when it was socially unacceptable to admit the reason. If someone took their own life because they were gay in 1950 it might have been never known why. Transgenderism has only increased in social acceptability in recent years as has a more sophisticated approach to analysing suicidality.

Tens of thousands of children have been given puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and surgeries. To suggest this has been beneficial to mental health outcomes is to suggest that these tens of thousands of children would have otherwise committed suicide. It’s a lie.

Whether a trans person 'passes' is integral in preventing discrimination/social unacceptability which again is a precursor to poor mental health & by extension vulnerability to suicide.

Yet there is no data to back up this claim, in fact there’s the opposite.

This is all to say the lack of access to gender affirming care is an indirect cause to suicidality.

Another lie.

Are you even listening?

Yes. I hear someone who won’t take the good news that children don’t kill themselves and instead wants to twist it into a requirement to sterilise children.

That you’re willing to crank up a fake suicide risk to suit your narrative at the expense of unnecessarily medicalising children is very telling.

Tens of thousands of children have been given puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and surgeries. To suggest this has been beneficial to mental health outcomes is to suggest that these tens of thousands of children would have otherwise committed suicide. It’s a lie.

And millions of children have been given mental health drugs. To suggest this has been beneficial to mental health outcomes is to suggest that these millions of children would have otherwise committed suicide.

See where this bogus logic goes?

"Yet there is no data to back up this claim, in fact there’s the opposite."

Social acceptability is a broadly accepted suicide risk for the general population Are you seriously suggesting trans people are socially broadly acceptable? Hate crime rates would beg to differ.

"Yes. I hear someone who won’t take the good news that children don’t kill themselves and instead wants to twist it into a requirement to sterilise children.
That you’re willing to crank up a fake suicide risk to suit your narrative at the expense of unnecessarily medicalising children is very telling."

A consensus of medical experts globally disagree.

Rather ironically, what you’re so upset about is exactly what Penis News did.

As for the rest, I refer you to my previous comments.

I mean...for fucks sake read the fucking thread or piss off.

A headline like that is against best practice. It's been explained on here and linked.

Glinner took the post down after someone commented against it - very unlikely to be his lawyer with that username.

I understand you are a TRA but please try to be responsible in what you are posting. There are lurkers. This is a public forum.

Speaking of which, if someone is feeling hopeless whether because of gender dysphoria or otherwise, please reach out to Samaritans, your GP or someone close to you.

A consensus of medical experts globally disagree.

No they don’t. Another lie.

But it wasn’t a girl. It was a boy suffering from mental health issues. It’s so sad but I think he has been horribly failed by those who told him the answer to his problems was to have serious surgical procedures abd become a life long medical patient.

That would be mental health support, not mutilating surgery and deception.

The disgrace is double: that this young person did not receive the mental health treatment that they so clearly needed, and that Prick News use this tragedy to promote harming distressed individuals.

This.

The villains of this piece are PN. However, criticism of them for the way in which they're irresponsibly weaponising this child's tragic death needs to be sufficiently adept to avoid people either genuinely or pretending to not get it. This tweet evidently wasn't that.

It's is quotation marks, so he's para phrasing. The article he highlights is from pink news, so I'm guessing that's who he's taking the mick out of.

Blah blah blah, blah blah blah.

Please cite your sources for the global medical experts, I'd be genuinely interested to read.

I'm not familiar with this case but an important point in a lot of these (and many more that don't reach this stage) is the online nature of the 'community', which is really more of an ever spiralling echo chamber.

The dangerous nature of these has been known about for years in eating disorder and self-harm communities. Someone may join because they are depressed, but over time, things start to escalate as you get roped into the groupthink and further away from proper medical support. Over time, and likely as a means of getting some attention, you get more sick, you collect more self-diagnosed illnesses, and you need to be worse than before. It's a social contagion and you can see it happening in real time. The trans communities are the same, it's an echo chamber of ever greater slights, with news stories twisted to suit an agenda, with more and more people piling on both the sense of injustice. So instead of proper support and treatment for their mental illness, they receive easy endorphins from random people online who have their own issues and/or agenda.