Mosque in uber-liberal London enclave bans all females over 12 from charity park run...

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What is your opinion about this is it ok or not ok?
Should this be allowed or not?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15183963/Mosque-bans-females-charity-park-run.html#

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5425866-muslim-charity-run

Depends, does the ban include transwomen too? If so I'm sure the wokerati will praise them for affirming trans identities.

It's organised by a mosque.
Presumably those who attend that mosque are happy with the way it's run and the rules.

Would a non-Muslim event be allowed to do this in the UK? If not, then a Muslim event shouldn't be allowed to either.

Plenty of runs are organised by and for muslim women explicitly excluding men, in general most muslim women dont WANT to run with a bunch of sweaty men

I expect a Orthodox Jewish event would be split by male and female too.

Surely it's not actually a "Muslim" event. It's an event run organised by a mosque.
Most sport is divided into male and female events.

There’s another 500 post thread on this.

plenty of women only runs in the U.K.

Eg this one

https://www.sheracestrailseries.com/

personally I don’t see the problem if some runs are women only and some men only.

plenty of runs out there

The ladies race is probably separate.

There's no ladies race advertised

Maybe none of the women were interested.
I hate things like running events personally. I wouldn't be interested.

They weren't offered the chance to participate

Are you suggesting the rule is in place for this run because Muslim girls under 12 would be ok with running with 'a bunch of sweaty men', but literally not a single Muslim girl or woman of 12 or over would want to? I find that very, very hard to believe.

Do you attend this mosque?
If you do why didn't you organise a women's one?

Should I only be concerned abouts the rights of women who are the same religion or ethnicity as myself?

Can I not be concerned about the rights of all women

@Needmorelego do you believe that British women should all have the same rights or does it depend on their religion

@Needmorelego

It’s lucky all of society isn’t arranged around your likes and dislikes. If the women didn’t want o race tat is their choice, except it is not their choice is it because they weren’t given one.

There was a already a mixed sex race happening they just excluded women of a certain age.

What makes you presume this?

This is where rights conflict.
Women and girls have a right to not be discriminated against, including Muslim women and girls. The fact that girls over 12 are completely banned with no alternative is discriminatory.
Some Muslim men find it offensive to their beliefs and dignity to share activities with women and girls. Some muslim women will also feel very uncomfortable running in the presence of men.
Discrimination is allowed to happen if it is a means of achieving a legitimate aim, ie increasing sports participation amongst a sex historically under-represented (ie womens only run clubs, gyms, swimming schools). Given that Muslim men are free to run whenever, and can also donate money whenever, I don't see how banning women and girls over 12 meets this rule, when they could sex segregate.
The real question is to Tower Hamlets council, how they are allowing their park to be used for this event, but given as its Tower Hamlets, I wouldn't expect any less from them.
The EHRC is on the case and I will be interested in their opinion.

"Uber liberal London"? What point do you think your making with that. London works fine, thanks.

That was the Daily Mail not the OP

If it's a men only run then that's fine - they are entitled to organise a male only run, the same as women are entitled to organise a female only run. But if they are allowing girls under 12 to run then they are surely falling foul of the equality act, as they are discriminating against women over 12 based on age.

There is no shared protected characteristic between all men and girls under 12 that is not also shared by women over 12 and therefore the exclusion of some females but not others is unlawful.

As a democratic society with a robust equality act, we should not be allowing men to discriminate against adult women.

Either all women or no women, or its an under 12s only event and no one over 12 may enter, but girls under 12 and men of any age is unacceptable within the law and allowing it is allowing misogyny.

Some Muslim men find it offensive to their beliefs and dignity to share activities with women and girls. Some muslim women will also feel very uncomfortable running in the presence of men.

Indeed. But as a minimum both men and women should be invited to participate and given freedom of choice instead of it being denied to females over age 12.

The real question is to Tower Hamlets council, how they are allowing their park to be used for this event, but given as its Tower Hamlets, I wouldn't expect any less from them.

It is appalling what Tower Hamlets council get away with. They are rotten to the core and it starts at the top with the current mayor Lutfur Rahman who was found guilty of electoral fraud (including bribery and making false statements) when he was mayor back in 2015 and removed from office. Despite this, he was voted back in as mayor in 2022 so it seems we are stuck with him. Which is, quite frankly, why Tower Hamlets is fucked. (And yes, I am a Tower Hamlets resident).

Edit: just to add that the last thing I would call Tower Hamlets is “uber liberal”. Left wing and liberal are not the same. The sexism and misogyny on display in Tower Hamlets, particularly in the area around East London Mosque is disgraceful and more reflective of the 19th century than the 21st century world city that London is.