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Inside the DHSC’s secret courtship of anti-trans lobby groups

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BeeSourianteAgain · 04/10/2025 15:59

It's all coming out in the wash.

https://tacc.org.uk/2025/10/03/inside-the-dhscs-secret-courtship-of-anti-trans-lobby-groups/

Trans rights in the UK are the worst in western Europe and behind progressive utopias such as Turkey and Romania*..and we're now seeing why. We would not allow the KKK to be 'key stakeholders' when it comes to the rights of black people, yet this government appears to think that it's appropriate to have unqualified anti-trans activists and trans-eliminationists involved when it comes to trans people and trans youth.

This is utterly shameful though not entirely surprising from a government that has pandered to the far right on many occasions.

rainbowmap.ilga-europe.org/categories/legal-gender-recognition/

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NotAtMyAge · 04/10/2025 16:51

As far as I can see trans-identifying people in the UK have exactly the same civil rights as everyone else. They are protected under the Equality Act 2010 under the characteristic of gender reassignment, just as the vast majority of the population who do not have any trans-identifying beliefs are protected under the characteristic of sex, which we all know means sex at birth. What on earth are you complaining about, Bee?

Helleofabore · 04/10/2025 16:51

This is really concerning:

“April 2025 – weaponising the Supreme Court

In April 2025, Sex Matters, Transgender Trend, and LGB Alliance sent a joint letter to Wes Streeting and NHS England’s Sir James Mackey. They demanded cancellation of the planned puberty blocker trial.

Their justification? The Supreme Court ruling in For Women Scotland v Scottish Ministers. They claimed the judgment meant children “must now be told they will never be able to access spaces or services for the opposite sex”.

They declared: “This means that the entire premise of treatment with puberty blockers for gender dysphoria has fallen away”. They concluded that medical treatment was now “ethically untenable.”

This is a grotesque distortion of the ruling. The Supreme Court did not ban healthcare. Yet anti-rights hate groups weaponised it to argue that transition care for young people must be scrapped entirely.”

This is a remarkable claim. And we have seen it before. Is the misunderstanding deliberate?

It is very clear what SM was talking about. If someone can no longer access the opposite sex single sex provisions, as per the SC judgement, this needs to be made very clear to any young person or child undergoing treatment. That they will need to access alternative provisions or their own sex single sex provisions for the rest of their life. They cannot assume they can use the sex they have declared they are when they are not materially that sex.

BeGreatKhakiOtter · 04/10/2025 16:54

Sad times?

Inside the DHSC’s secret courtship of anti-trans lobby groups
DarkForces · 04/10/2025 16:58

Helleofabore · 04/10/2025 16:51

This is really concerning:

“April 2025 – weaponising the Supreme Court

In April 2025, Sex Matters, Transgender Trend, and LGB Alliance sent a joint letter to Wes Streeting and NHS England’s Sir James Mackey. They demanded cancellation of the planned puberty blocker trial.

Their justification? The Supreme Court ruling in For Women Scotland v Scottish Ministers. They claimed the judgment meant children “must now be told they will never be able to access spaces or services for the opposite sex”.

They declared: “This means that the entire premise of treatment with puberty blockers for gender dysphoria has fallen away”. They concluded that medical treatment was now “ethically untenable.”

This is a grotesque distortion of the ruling. The Supreme Court did not ban healthcare. Yet anti-rights hate groups weaponised it to argue that transition care for young people must be scrapped entirely.”

This is a remarkable claim. And we have seen it before. Is the misunderstanding deliberate?

It is very clear what SM was talking about. If someone can no longer access the opposite sex single sex provisions, as per the SC judgement, this needs to be made very clear to any young person or child undergoing treatment. That they will need to access alternative provisions or their own sex single sex provisions for the rest of their life. They cannot assume they can use the sex they have declared they are when they are not materially that sex.

Indeed. Men will have to welcome men who wear lipstick, nail varnish and skirts into their spaces, even if they have been lied to about efficacy of medical interventions. I suspect men's discomfort with this is the reason they announced they were actually women and made it our problem.

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 04/10/2025 17:00

NotAtMyAge · 04/10/2025 16:51

As far as I can see trans-identifying people in the UK have exactly the same civil rights as everyone else. They are protected under the Equality Act 2010 under the characteristic of gender reassignment, just as the vast majority of the population who do not have any trans-identifying beliefs are protected under the characteristic of sex, which we all know means sex at birth. What on earth are you complaining about, Bee?

I don't think those facts (and the SC Judgment specific mention of it) exist inside some personal realities.

Which is largely the issue really across the board.

HermioneWeasley · 04/10/2025 17:00

I’m starting to wonder if Bee has a humiliation fetish. There really is no other explanation for his repeated behaviour

teawamutu · 04/10/2025 17:08

Sex Matters asked DHSC to verify some data?

The awful, spiteful transphobic bastards.

CompleteGinasaur · 04/10/2025 17:11

Bloody hell, Bee. I thought I'd seen it all when it came to hysterical, narcissistic bloviating. And that TACC nonsense was pretty bad, too!

DialSquare · 04/10/2025 17:13

HermioneWeasley · 04/10/2025 17:00

I’m starting to wonder if Bee has a humiliation fetish. There really is no other explanation for his repeated behaviour

This has been said by a few of us before but it appears to hit a nerve as the posts are usually deleted.

Helleofabore · 04/10/2025 17:14

teawamutu · 04/10/2025 17:08

Sex Matters asked DHSC to verify some data?

The awful, spiteful transphobic bastards.

I know!! They asked… and the government thought it was a good idea and got an independent report commissioned.

Fuck! The travesty!

Not only this, but we also ended up with Strangio in the USA stating under oath that suicide stats were being misused in the USA too!

Why isn’t Bee and the author celebrating that the stats are not as catastrophic as was being presented? Or is BS the author and this is to drive traffic to the site?

Helleofabore · 04/10/2025 17:15

Here is an archive link

archive.today/YVHPE

Shedmistress · 04/10/2025 17:18

My top tip, if you don't want the whole fucking world to think you are perverts, stay out of female spaces if you are a bloke.

Simples.

Boiledbeetle · 04/10/2025 17:19

OH MY GOD!! PEOPLE ORGANISED MEETINGS!!

AnSolas · 04/10/2025 17:27

🙄
Hummmm

Black Woman = male human 👀🚩

Awkward how this keeps poping up when objecting to women having rights to WSSS 😬

BellissimoGecko · 04/10/2025 17:28

Oh, Bee. You really are to be pitied. Imagine being stupid enough or desperate enough to believe all that guff!

I support Sex Matters. They are a voice of reason so rarely heard in this debate, and I’m delighted that they are standing up for women’s rights.

tell me, what makes you think that women should not have rights?

Helleofabore · 04/10/2025 17:30

Boiledbeetle · 04/10/2025 17:19

OH MY GOD!! PEOPLE ORGANISED MEETINGS!!

Edited

I know ! Imagine that !

SupremeArbiter · 04/10/2025 17:33

Imagine thinking that it’s ok to lie to people - young people - and tell them they can have rights they were never entitled to in the first place. Imagine that. What sort of an organisation would do that.

Imagine using your lobbying power to take away rights for half the population so that you can lie to people. Imagine.

Imagine ignoring the Pikachu moment aka fucking trauma caused by men and lying to people and expecting them to go along with your lie. No matter how much it distresses them because it’s really the man’s inclination that matters not your consent or not.

imagine that.

MurkyWeather2 · 04/10/2025 17:36

Or is BS the author and this is to drive traffic to the site?

I would rate this as a strong possibility. Not sure it achieves much though. You might raise your search rankings but at the expense of getting a load of Terfy women visit your site skewing any stats. I don't suppose any of us will be giving them our email address.

Boiledbeetle · 04/10/2025 17:40

Helleofabore · 04/10/2025 17:30

I know ! Imagine that !

Right!!

What the hell is bee expecting? That we'll all read that and go "Oh bee thank you, thank you thank you for finally making me see the light. I was blind and now can see. Let me kneel at your feet whilst I worship your superior knowledge" ?

SinnerBoy · 04/10/2025 17:41

Helleofabore · Today 16:42

Gosh Bee. This is really interesting!
Here is another complaint:

What's that, Skippy? The Traniban Boys have fallen down the bullshit propaganda mine and can't get out?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 04/10/2025 17:47

Just the part quoted in the thread is gross, equating their 'struggle' to that which the black Americans suffered in the south during the segregation period is another one of the many obscenities this cult has come out with. 🤮

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/10/2025 17:48

Poor old Bee and his mates. Forced to live in a democratic society where women are given a voice and children can be safeguarded.

Sad times for these old Victorians 😜

eatfigs · 04/10/2025 17:49

https://reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1nx6q2n/foi_reveals_communications_between_dhsc_and/

Some intriguing interpretations of this blog post over on Reddit, e.g.

"The UK government has been infiltrated by several hate groups known to be connected and financed by Christian Nationalist US organizations, and Wes Streeting is collaborating to cover the deaths of children" is a smash blockbuster scoop for any news organization.

Helleofabore · 04/10/2025 17:50

Oh sinner.

It really is like ‘what’s that Skip? You think a group acting legitimately and legally within their scope has been demonised and vilified by groups so heavily invested in supporting falsity that they write fuckwittery easily shown to be fuckwittery? Yeah, I agree Skip!’

MarieDeGournay · 04/10/2025 18:18

Helleofabore · 04/10/2025 17:50

Oh sinner.

It really is like ‘what’s that Skip? You think a group acting legitimately and legally within their scope has been demonised and vilified by groups so heavily invested in supporting falsity that they write fuckwittery easily shown to be fuckwittery? Yeah, I agree Skip!’

I found proof that that conversation literally took place😃

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