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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Inside the DHSC’s secret courtship of anti-trans lobby groups

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BeeSourianteAgain · 04/10/2025 15:59

It's all coming out in the wash.

https://tacc.org.uk/2025/10/03/inside-the-dhscs-secret-courtship-of-anti-trans-lobby-groups/

Trans rights in the UK are the worst in western Europe and behind progressive utopias such as Turkey and Romania*..and we're now seeing why. We would not allow the KKK to be 'key stakeholders' when it comes to the rights of black people, yet this government appears to think that it's appropriate to have unqualified anti-trans activists and trans-eliminationists involved when it comes to trans people and trans youth.

This is utterly shameful though not entirely surprising from a government that has pandered to the far right on many occasions.

rainbowmap.ilga-europe.org/categories/legal-gender-recognition/

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belalagosi · 05/10/2025 12:40

I go by the Dolezal rule.. would it be ok if Rachel Dolezal (the universally condemned "Transracial" woman) we're doing it / demanding it?
It gives a very narrow acceptability to transgender identifiers as it should. If anything TG is worse than TR. We don't see one race almost universally stronger with a history of extreme one-sidedness in violent sexual crime (one side victimized)

HelenaWaiting · 05/10/2025 12:43

TeenToTwenties · 04/10/2025 16:13

What rights do trans people in the UK not have that others of their sex do have?

This is the point. The Trans Rights Movement is the first activist movement whose definition of "rights" comprises the removal of existing rights from another group. It isn't said often enough and it's astonishing to me that it has gained support.

MarieDeGournay · 05/10/2025 12:55

HelenaWaiting · 05/10/2025 12:43

This is the point. The Trans Rights Movement is the first activist movement whose definition of "rights" comprises the removal of existing rights from another group. It isn't said often enough and it's astonishing to me that it has gained support.

The rights movements that I have been familiar with, and have supported and even participated in, started out with years of patiently setting out political arguments, then peaceful demonstrations, and it wasn't until peaceful demos were met with batons and bullets that they turned to violent means.
The TRM went straight to violent rhetoric and even actual violence.

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 05/10/2025 14:15

Actually oppressed and frightened groups as opposed to fantasty oppressed groups, do not usually turn to violent means at all, never mind waving around threatening posters, peeing everywhere, shouting and screaming in front of police, chalking obscene messages, and thumping people. While having sympathetic journalists, MPs, the BBC and other challenged channels carefully pose them in a fasely positive light and cover up the nasty bits for the purposes of positive propaganda.

If they were an actually oppressed group they'd be suppressed and arrested as soon as they put a toe out of line. You know, like women are. And would be afraid to push or be in the wrong place in case of actual (not fantasy or fetishised) physical danger from someone with more power than them. Like women are. And would have coverage of their issues intentionally hidden and silenced by press and politics. Like women do.

There's a whole lot of ranting about the terrors of men going into male spaces, and most of it is because there is a real risk of another man physically retaliating to provocation. Women you can generally harass without getting hurt. And boy don't many of these men love reminding us.

terryleather · 05/10/2025 14:59

It absolutely is a rights movement - a men's sexual rights movement to be exact.

And I for one will be fighting against it every step of the way.

SquirrelosaurusSoShiny · 05/10/2025 15:12

Bee it probably is painful when you encounter material reality, especially if you spend a lot of time in places like Reddit where collective delusion reigns supreme. If you are 'true trans' then you know that you are likely detested by many of the same TRAs who hate women so much. Ironically this is probably the closest you'll ever come to experiencing oppression from other men.

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