student university toilets

[cigarsmokingwoman]

DD is a 1st year student at a university in Scotland and frequently comes home (she commutes) bursting because she doesn't want to use the student toilets which are apparently all unisex with urinals. She tells me she wanders the building in vain for a female only toilet and even tries going to other student buildings and cannot find them. Yesterday she says she was walking around for 20 minutes before giving up out of desperation and using the unisex one. I wonder how many other universities are the same? It's appalling. DD will not complain or cause a scene but it makes her very uncomfortable.

We have a derailer my fellow AHFs.

@cigarsmokingwoman is it possible to report the university for a child safeguarding breach as they are not providing separate toilets for U18s? I think U18s in education are supposed to have separate toilets?
17 is awfully young to battle this on her own.

Its the cotteral building where she seems to have many of her lectures (and I think she said the pathfoot building). She says she has been wandering around for ages in vain trying to find a female only toilet. She commutes so says someetimes she drives to costa for a pee / lunch or goes to the toilet the second she comes home. She wont say anything or let me say anything because it'll come back to her and she's a sensitive girl who doesn't want any 'black marks' as she calls it.

Depressing, but not surprising in the light of PPS experience of Stirling Uni.

brignews.com/2024/11/28/reclaim-stirling-shutting-down-due-to-pushback-from-university-union-and-students/

Reassure her that she was hallucinating when she saw urinals in the gender neutral toilets.

Sterling uni is explicit that urinals are NOT in gender neutral toilets

I just think it’s a bit disingenuous to say your really your birth sex but…

Yes, I do work

Gender neutral toilets at work ?

What does that even mean?

Yes. They have individual lockable cubicles with sinks, and all of the regular provision was converted to ‘all gender’ toilets without urinals. It seems to work for the company, but I do understand understand why the ‘all gender’ toilets make people uncomfortable

Do you really not see how that exception is a problem? The court has basically said we should be treated as male/female unless it’s inconvenient for someone

Go to student welfare (or whatever it's called at her Uni) and ask where the female only toilets are.
Edit - a quick search revealed this: http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/intro/floorplan/women.html
Edit 2 - another search revealed this (it's regarding period products but mentions the presence of different types of toilets and locations).
www.stir.ac.uk/student-life/support-wellbeing/student-support-services/period-products/

No, you appear to be implying that the OP's daughter is doing this, which seems unfair and inappropriate.

To be fair, it has been proved that there are no urinals in gender neutral toilets at sterling university

inconvenient

That is your take on the debate?

Uk company? Size?

@cigarsmokingwoman I am an academic but at an English university. If you want to PM me I'll try and find a friendly and helpful academic at Stirling. They will either be able to find her a loo or raise this with management or both.

I really dislike gender-neutral toilets. When I was 22, I was pushed into a toilet cubicle by a man while I was in a pub. He managed to force the door shut and lock it. More recently, I visited a restaurant where the toilets were gender-neutral and very dimly lit. It made me feel extremely unsafe, and I had to leave.

The different structure of secondary education in Scotland means that it used to be quite normal for 17 year-olds to start at Scottish universities on a 4 year degree course and not unknown for some 16 year-olds. Certainly when my sister went from Lancashire to Edinburgh University in the mid-60s there were plenty of her fellow first years at least a year younger than she was and it was a 4 year course.

I'd be really surprised if they don't have any female loos. Our local uni has a mixture of unisex and single. I would encourage her to speak to the information point at the uni and ask where the closest ladies toilets are. They will have some.

They do

I have no idea if the OP’s description is entirely accurate but your suggestion that women should have to go to a station loo or sneak into a coffee shop if they don’t feel comfortable in shared facilities doesn’t sound very inclusive.

UK company, 2500+ employees

That’s my take on that specific part of the ruling. I don’t think we should be picking and choosing which trans people to exclude from spaces for their birth sex based on appearance. Everyone here always talks about how biological sex is everything so do you think trans people should have access to all spaces for their birth sex?

And ONLY gender neutral toilets available?

industry?