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Shortshriftandlethal · 14/09/2025 17:21

thatsthewayitis · 14/09/2025 16:38

I have a friend who grew up poor in Appalachia, he's now an educated, liberal, white collar university bureaucrat. He goes turkey hunting and fishing with the bros. And he cleans, guts and cooks the meat and fish. Regular Americans value these kind of self-sufficient skills. We had a frontier mentality, where you have to count on yourself.

Yes, but that is different to hunting as a leisure activity.

TheCatsTongue · 14/09/2025 17:27

Good for the trans partner to cooperate, although I doubt he had much choice!

The problem with trans ideology is when it butts up against reality. You can call for violence, "kill the TERFs" etc and then not actually realise the very real life implications.

Shedmistress · 14/09/2025 17:29

The whole thing is off. The incredible preciseness of the shot, the madness of the celebrations, the sackings, the 'was it Mossad or a right wing furry' confusion.

TheCatsTongue · 14/09/2025 17:45

Shedmistress · 14/09/2025 17:29

The whole thing is off. The incredible preciseness of the shot, the madness of the celebrations, the sackings, the 'was it Mossad or a right wing furry' confusion.

A prominent political activist was assassinated, voices on social media celebrated and have deliberately put out false and misleading theories.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 14/09/2025 17:51

Shedmistress · 14/09/2025 17:29

The whole thing is off. The incredible preciseness of the shot, the madness of the celebrations, the sackings, the 'was it Mossad or a right wing furry' confusion.

People experienced with those sorts of guns are saying that that distance, with that particular firearm and a scope on a target who is relatively still (Kirk was sitting down) is not particularly difficult.

And also (and this is grim) it was probably a botched shot to the head rather than an accurate shot to the neck.

nauticant · 14/09/2025 17:53

Yes, loads of people latched onto where the shot hit as being a deliberate message of silencing Kirk. I heard that and thought "that's cobblers".

thatsthewayitis · 14/09/2025 17:58

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/09/2025 17:21

Yes, but that is different to hunting as a leisure activity.

It is a leisure activity for him. He has money. My dad hunted for a leisure activity. Americans go to a shooting range for fun. They also have guns to protect themselves.

You don't get it, Britain and Ireland are manicured, nil dangerous animals. In America there is the wild. if you go in the woods you need to know about poisonous snakes, spiders, bears, moose, cougars, etc., depending where you are. And you need to be equipped and prepared or you could die. British people seem soft to me.

thirdfiddle · 14/09/2025 18:00

There seems to be a lot of overlap between trans people & neo-Nazis tho.

Really? That's not an overlap I'd noticed. might you be thinking of the antifa lot? They do have certain similarities but hate each other.

Should be pointed out the original Nazis started off far left nationalists not far right. Sometimes they go so far round they meet in the middle.

AmythestBangle · 14/09/2025 18:00

Timeforabitofpeace · 14/09/2025 16:21

What is the absolute obsession with trans issues on Mumsnet? I don’t think men can be women, but for gods sake, get a grip.

If don't want to read/talk about trans issues then don't come on FWR, maybe.

AmythestBangle · 14/09/2025 18:01

CurlewKate · 14/09/2025 12:44

Does it? I didn’t realise there was a Sunday Guardian….

This is a really feeble attempt at a gotcha. Are you serious?

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 14/09/2025 18:02

Wellthatsmine · 14/09/2025 17:20

I wondered about this given his views. The fact that he was asked about trans gun crime immediately before it seems very engineered. Even the way this person was turned in to the authorities in such a wholesome American family and helpful pastor way it seems decidedly off

They are Mormons, who are (at least outwardly) the most wholesome of all religious sects.
Even the teens are expected to follow dress codes that are rarely seen anywhere but the most staid of white collar professions nowadays.

I thought the commentary from the same-age neighbour of Tyler Robinson outside the Robinson family home re: pressure to conform with Mormon restrictions and the shameful feelings of growing up in that environment when you know you are different (can’t remember if the ‘difference’ was just implied as being homosexual or explicit) were interesting and insightful.

Also, the guy who asked the question about trans shooters has made a YouTube video about it. He’s clearly traumatised by what he witnessed. I’ll come back with links.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 14/09/2025 18:04

thatsthewayitis · 14/09/2025 17:58

It is a leisure activity for him. He has money. My dad hunted for a leisure activity. Americans go to a shooting range for fun. They also have guns to protect themselves.

You don't get it, Britain and Ireland are manicured, nil dangerous animals. In America there is the wild. if you go in the woods you need to know about poisonous snakes, spiders, bears, moose, cougars, etc., depending where you are. And you need to be equipped and prepared or you could die. British people seem soft to me.

I’m English and my ex husband was born in Georgia, raised in Alabama. Working class family.

We are definitely soft in comparison!

tinytemper66 · 14/09/2025 18:06

I think this is being spread due to the fact he was a Republican white bloke. They desperately wanted him to be a POC that they have to spin the narrative.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/09/2025 18:09

tinytemper66 · 14/09/2025 18:06

I think this is being spread due to the fact he was a Republican white bloke. They desperately wanted him to be a POC that they have to spin the narrative.

The evidence is not pointing to him being a Republican.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 14/09/2025 18:20

Short from Hunter Kozak (the man who asked the gun question) posted on TikTok and replicated on YouTube by the Daily Mail:

https://youtube.com/shorts/v9jhDmQeY_A?si=JSuYgRBoV5G17Tfm

Long interview with a YouTuber:

brip · 14/09/2025 18:23

are people still saying he’s a republican? someone who wanted charlie kirk dead, who had a transwoman partner, (verified today by the Utah State governor) who pulled the trigger at the exact moment Kirk responded to a trans question. Yeah, just a coincidence. I’m sure.

RedToothBrush · 14/09/2025 18:53

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 14/09/2025 18:02

They are Mormons, who are (at least outwardly) the most wholesome of all religious sects.
Even the teens are expected to follow dress codes that are rarely seen anywhere but the most staid of white collar professions nowadays.

I thought the commentary from the same-age neighbour of Tyler Robinson outside the Robinson family home re: pressure to conform with Mormon restrictions and the shameful feelings of growing up in that environment when you know you are different (can’t remember if the ‘difference’ was just implied as being homosexual or explicit) were interesting and insightful.

Also, the guy who asked the question about trans shooters has made a YouTube video about it. He’s clearly traumatised by what he witnessed. I’ll come back with links.

The Mormon Community has an issue with Gay People, never mind Trans, at the best of times. There's still a huge amount of homophobia. There's been a lot about this over the last few years, much publicised by Imagine Dragons who talk about generational clashes over the subject.

It amused me that so many Mormon families will be having earnest discussions over 'what is a furry?' this week.

CinnamonCinnabar · 14/09/2025 18:57

thirdfiddle · 14/09/2025 18:00

There seems to be a lot of overlap between trans people & neo-Nazis tho.

Really? That's not an overlap I'd noticed. might you be thinking of the antifa lot? They do have certain similarities but hate each other.

Should be pointed out the original Nazis started off far left nationalists not far right. Sometimes they go so far round they meet in the middle.

The trans identifying female convicted of terrorism offences in Edinburgh was also a racist neo-Nazi supporter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyj2g5l1g2o

A mugshot of Felix Winter, who has dark hair and appears to be wearing a camouflage jacket with the hood down

Teenager jailed for plotting mass shooting at Edinburgh school

A court heard Felix Winter, 18, idolised the killers behind the 1999 Columbine High School massacre in the US.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyj2g5l1g2o

thirdfiddle · 14/09/2025 19:22

The trans identifying female convicted of terrorism offences in Edinburgh was also a racist neo-Nazi supporter

Gosh that's a new overlap on me. I'm afraid (or maybe that should be happy) I don't know a lot about what neo-Nazis get up to apart from marching around looking sinister bit. I assume they're racist; but are scottish neo-Nazis scottish nationalists or do they want the world taken over by a german empire?

Shedmistress · 14/09/2025 20:15

thirdfiddle · 14/09/2025 19:22

The trans identifying female convicted of terrorism offences in Edinburgh was also a racist neo-Nazi supporter

Gosh that's a new overlap on me. I'm afraid (or maybe that should be happy) I don't know a lot about what neo-Nazis get up to apart from marching around looking sinister bit. I assume they're racist; but are scottish neo-Nazis scottish nationalists or do they want the world taken over by a german empire?

You've not seen the masked men in black including face masks and their behaviour towards women who dare to say words in public then?

thirdfiddle · 14/09/2025 20:30

You've not seen the masked men in black including face masks and their behaviour towards women who dare to say words in public then?

When I've seen that that it was said to be antifa not neonazis. Though violent yobs in black with masks on are easily confused with other violent yobs in black with masks on.

1dayatatime · 14/09/2025 20:43

EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 10:36

Why spread misinformation like this?

@EasternStandard

Quite simply because in the hope that if you repeat the lie enough then some people will believe it and others will start to have doubts. Then more people repeat it and before long it enters into mainstream views.

Just look at the conspiracy theories on Princess Diana or 9/11.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 14/09/2025 20:48

So, apparently a Utah based group who describe themselves as protestors against fascism/are Antifa-esque are called ‘The Armed Queers of Salt Lake City’

Year old article from a local paper

https://dailyutahchronicle.com/2024/08/11/griffee-armed-queers-protect-radical-leftism/

I’ve no evidence that Robinson was part of this movement but it’s interesting that the local ‘Queers’ are pro gun rather than pro gun control. They definitely wouldn’t like commentators like Charlie Kirk advocating for trans people to be banned from purchasing firearms…

Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate
LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 14/09/2025 20:51

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 14/09/2025 20:48

So, apparently a Utah based group who describe themselves as protestors against fascism/are Antifa-esque are called ‘The Armed Queers of Salt Lake City’

Year old article from a local paper

https://dailyutahchronicle.com/2024/08/11/griffee-armed-queers-protect-radical-leftism/

I’ve no evidence that Robinson was part of this movement but it’s interesting that the local ‘Queers’ are pro gun rather than pro gun control. They definitely wouldn’t like commentators like Charlie Kirk advocating for trans people to be banned from purchasing firearms…

This might be of interest.

There’s a very telling reference to that group you have named.

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