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RoyalCorgi · 14/09/2025 13:21

CurlewKate · 14/09/2025 12:44

Does it? I didn’t realise there was a Sunday Guardian….

The website is a seven-day operation.

thatsthewayitis · 14/09/2025 13:29

Boyfriend for sure, otherwise the New York Post would sued for libel by the furry. And it's easy to do. In the US lawyers do it for free and get a portion of the award.
A young male neighbor is being interviewed and he says they were holding hands and the boyfriend-furry was obviously trans.
Finally supposedly the FBI is investigating if a small group of trans-antifa knew...I saw the Instagram where other trans were saying something would happen the day of Kirk's appearance.

CurlewKate · 14/09/2025 13:34

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 14/09/2025 12:38

my comment refers only to the word innocently, you don’t teach a child to use a gun innocently

its purposeful…whether its for protection, crime or hunting

I was taught to use a gun “innocently” as a child. I was a country child and learned to shoot rabbits and rats. Not with a telescopic sight assault rifle from 200 yards, though.

TheJoyOfWriting · 14/09/2025 13:48

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Yes, he spoke about Epstein's probable Mossad links.

RedToothBrush · 14/09/2025 13:49

So true!

Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate
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KruelladeVille23 · 14/09/2025 14:00

Another disturbed individual with access to powerful weapons.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 14/09/2025 14:08

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Is there? Or is there an overlap between trans and the imagery of Nazism, Nihilism, Hedonism and Kink and Fetish (ie the ‘queering’ of boundaries)?

Neo Nazis and people who appropriate the imagery of Nazism are often two very different groups, IME.

nauticant · 14/09/2025 14:17

Relevant New Statesman article about appropriating Nazi imagery:

https://archive.ph/v3MQk

These online worlds are not as black and white as some on here would have us believe.

Here's a quick quote from the article: “It’s obviously not a swastika,” claims Foxler – who also insists his furry name is a portmanteau of “Fox” and his real surname, “Miller”, not “Hitler”, as many online argue.

ThatBlackCat · 14/09/2025 14:21

CurlewKate · 14/09/2025 12:44

Does it? I didn’t realise there was a Sunday Guardian….

Do you think the Guardian website goes offline every Sunday for a period of 24 hours??? The Guardian is a 24/7 online news publication!

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/09/2025 14:25

TheJoyOfWriting · 14/09/2025 13:48

Yes, he spoke about Epstein's probable Mossad links.

These anti Jewish/anti Israel conspiracies are rife in both Right and Left conspiracy circles.

thatsthewayitis · 14/09/2025 14:25

CurlewKate · 14/09/2025 13:34

I was taught to use a gun “innocently” as a child. I was a country child and learned to shoot rabbits and rats. Not with a telescopic sight assault rifle from 200 yards, though.

I grew up in a city, my father liked to hunt so I grew up around guns. I learned about gun safety and responsibility.
I was not into hunting but my dad liked skeet shooting, and he took us. Americans like such things, marksmanship, going to a gun range. If I were still there I'd have a gun for safety.
America is big and vast. You can go hunting, shooting for fun without a problem. I think crowded Britain and Europe don't get that.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 14/09/2025 14:28

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 14/09/2025 08:31

it was that they innocently taught their child exactly how to shoot a live target at a distance

no one innocently teaches their child to kill things….not for one second comparing animals to humans but thats not ‘innocent’

Lots of people learn to shoot though. I don’t think it necessarily translates into gun violence. The Swiss, Norwegians and Finns all have about 30 guns per hundred people but gun crime is low. People are trained to use weapons and often keep them after military service, I assume training covers shooting at a live target.

I’m not saying no one ever gets shot in these countries but its much lower than you’d expect than if you were to say training + gun ownership / access = high rate of shootings.

Anactor · 14/09/2025 14:30

CurlewKate · 14/09/2025 13:34

I was taught to use a gun “innocently” as a child. I was a country child and learned to shoot rabbits and rats. Not with a telescopic sight assault rifle from 200 yards, though.

The telescopic sight would be expected for deer hunting and the reports I saw said it was a deer hunting rifle. A Mauser 98, which isn’t an assault rifle.

I think you’re getting fooled by the huge difference in hunting culture between the UK and the US; the US hunter is usually blue collar/middle class, is an experienced rifle shot and has a big freezer. The chatter I saw when the young man was identified was along the lines of ‘yes, an experienced hunter could have easily made that shot with standard hunting gear.’

This is a crime which could have equally well happened in the UK (and has). Someone with a legitimate, legal use for a gun, who then used it to murder people.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 15:38

CurlewKate · 14/09/2025 12:44

Does it? I didn’t realise there was a Sunday Guardian….

It used to be the Observer was the GMG paper published on Sunday, thats now been sold off. However as pp rightly pointed out, this is quite a quaint old fashioned way of considering international news media in 2025.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 15:40

RedToothBrush · 14/09/2025 09:39

As I said on previous thread

This shooting would therefore fit with patterns of radicalisation akin to religion, it would fit with a right wing gun culture, it would fit with youth disaffection with mainstream politics, it would fit with difficult online communities which are out of sight from authorities, it would fit with the lone, quiet gunman AND it would fit with uncontrolled and unchallenged purity spirals within left wing politics.

But I doubt you'll see many people reflect on all these patterns, instead they'll focus on whichever element best fits their agenda.

I think we have a perfect storm scenario that's only growing. I suspect we will see others from other areas as youth disaffection grows and anger at the establishment rises. Historical data shows revolutions and civil unrest is much more common with high youth unemployment / underemployment and declining standards of living regardless of political affiliation. It's important we look at this from all angles.

I'd also add alienation from your traditional community to the list and being part of a death cult feeling like it was under threat tbh.

My point being there will be no one reason, but a build up of multiple ones which are as difficult for the right to reconcile with themselves as it will be for the left meaning the likely result will be to lash out at the other rather to reflect on the elements from their own sphere of influence.

What is clear to me in this case is however you cut it, and I think this is true of every shooter, is they they are a product of BOTH their upbringing and the influences they come across later.

It is crucial to understanding this that being from a Mormon conservative background which was right wing and heavily invested in guns was as crucial as a left wing radicalisation and potentially gay/trans partner and BOTH are highly likely to have contributed to the killers mindset and this is an unavoidable reality that pretty much no one wants to acknowledge. The possibility of a trans element is only one strand of a bigger picture and it is not this alone which is the problem if it is proven.

As it stands, there a lot of speculation on twitter going through Lance's online presence from user names, forums and associates which do suggest he was furry/trans but I am still taking with a degree of a pinch of salt at this stage. There's nothing I find wholly trustworthy at this point. And this doesn't mean he's involved.

And we can't forget the question that was asked immediately before Kirk was shot. That question isn't going away.

What I would say is there is something of a problem for trans people in Utah right now because on top of the above and the speculation around it there seems to be one account linked to Lance saying 'we did it' in reference to Kirk, another Utah trans account saying the day before that they hoped Kirk would be evaporated and that something big would happen the next day and a third trans account from someone in Utah linked to a song put online a month ago called 'Charlie Kirk dead at 31'. Given the sheer amount of threats and wishing for the death of political opponents maybe we shouldn't read much into this, because it's been so widely accepted within communities as to become noise rather than something more sinister. This is why putting a load of threats online isn't a great move because you can't predict the future and you might end up caught in a situation with your metaphorical dick hanging out in public.

These apparent threats are naturally raising some eyebrows after the fact about a wider potential conspiracy rather a lone gunman idea. I think this perception is actually going to be really hard to shift even if it's a load of nonsense and pure coincidence. Because even if it is noise it's still normalised and in the background.

I don't think for one second that the FBI won't be all over this angle, looking through discord and anyone remotely linked to both Lance and Tyler though because if it is right it has somewhat significant implications about how they handle the case.

But they have to be right. If they get it wrong there are some very genuinely vulnerable trans people at significant risk at this point.

It's a mess. There are going to be innocent people caught up in the fallout out from this and it's naive to suggest otherwise.

As much as I think trans is bollocks and there's a lot of very questionable individuals who identify as trans I am, and have always been, concerned about vulnerable individuals especially young kids who have been mislead, groomed and otherwise lied to about being trans and the implications of that. This incident will affect perceptions regardless of the truth and what comes out in time.

It sucks for everyone concerned tbh.

Great post, Red.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 14/09/2025 16:09

Anactor · 14/09/2025 12:57

Innocently means ‘not guilty of a crime or offence’ or ‘without responsibility for or direct involvement in an event yet suffering its consequences’.

That is, the parents were not guilty of any crime or offence when they taught their child how to hunt, nor were they directly involved in their son’s decision to use those skills to murder someone.

I think you’re getting confused by the difference in meaning between the adverb and the adjective.

I don’t think i am, but i understand where you are coming from so i will leave it there 🙂

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/09/2025 16:18

thatsthewayitis · 14/09/2025 14:25

I grew up in a city, my father liked to hunt so I grew up around guns. I learned about gun safety and responsibility.
I was not into hunting but my dad liked skeet shooting, and he took us. Americans like such things, marksmanship, going to a gun range. If I were still there I'd have a gun for safety.
America is big and vast. You can go hunting, shooting for fun without a problem. I think crowded Britain and Europe don't get that.

I'm not sure that people in Britain are so much into the idea of killing animals for fun; which is why hunting with dogs was banned. Though we still have the abomination of grouse shooting etc...where people blow creatures out of the sky for enjoyment

Timeforabitofpeace · 14/09/2025 16:21

ThatZanyFatball · 13/09/2025 23:17

May have been lovers, and sounds like he knew ahead of time that it was going to happen.

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

What is the absolute obsession with trans issues on Mumsnet? I don’t think men can be women, but for gods sake, get a grip.

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/09/2025 16:23

Timeforabitofpeace · 14/09/2025 16:21

What is the absolute obsession with trans issues on Mumsnet? I don’t think men can be women, but for gods sake, get a grip.

You may not have realised but you are on the FWR board, which has been set aside, for many years now, precisely for discussions about the negative impact of trans ideology on sex based rights and on vulnerable children. At one point it was the only place where such discussions could take place freely, or relatively freely.

If you want discussions about soaps, or about weaning, or about pet care there are plenty of other boards.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 14/09/2025 16:26

I wouldn't say any deer we shoot are shot for fun. The simple fact is they are a nuisance, they destroy crops especially in a year like this one where growing has been hard work, it's going to be a scant enough harvest already. We can't afford to feed the wild deer. I suppose the closest I could get to an equivalent situation in the uk would be a farmer shooting a dog worrying sheep.

thatsthewayitis · 14/09/2025 16:38

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/09/2025 16:18

I'm not sure that people in Britain are so much into the idea of killing animals for fun; which is why hunting with dogs was banned. Though we still have the abomination of grouse shooting etc...where people blow creatures out of the sky for enjoyment

I have a friend who grew up poor in Appalachia, he's now an educated, liberal, white collar university bureaucrat. He goes turkey hunting and fishing with the bros. And he cleans, guts and cooks the meat and fish. Regular Americans value these kind of self-sufficient skills. We had a frontier mentality, where you have to count on yourself.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 17:12

Confirmed by Utah governor on NBC. His roommate is his trans boyfriend and is fully cooperating with the authorities and says he didn’t know anything about it until after, Robinson is not.

Wellthatsmine · 14/09/2025 17:20

TheJoyOfWriting · 14/09/2025 13:48

Yes, he spoke about Epstein's probable Mossad links.

I wondered about this given his views. The fact that he was asked about trans gun crime immediately before it seems very engineered. Even the way this person was turned in to the authorities in such a wholesome American family and helpful pastor way it seems decidedly off

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