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Anyahyacinth · 11/09/2025 20:41

In 2023, Kirk said at a TPUSA Faith event, "We must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty...I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

nomas · 11/09/2025 20:41

KnitFastDieWarm · 11/09/2025 20:35

But does a person deserve public summary execution for holding or expressing those views? They are views held by, for example, many adherents to Abrahamic religions across the world. Regardless of whether one agrees with them or not, should people not be allowed to hold these views? And surely the way to challenge and change their views is through exactly the kind of open discussion that Charlie Kirk was advocating?

I’m a bisexual radical feminist. I don’t need or expect everyone on earth to support or agree with my views, actions or moral compass, and I will defend to the death the right of others to offend me.

Edited

No one has said he deserves execution, the poster you replied to was defending Kirk. So not sure why you need to defend to the death against anyone.

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/09/2025 20:42

SeaAndStars · 11/09/2025 17:44

Kirk blamed birth control for making “young ladies” “angry and bitter.”

He said, “We basically told a great generation of young women’ don’t get married, don’t have kids, go get a corporate job,’ and it’s created mass political hysteria. And then in their early 30s they get really upset because they say, ‘you know, the boys don’t want to date me anymore,’ because they’re not at their prime and people get mad when I say that — well, it’s just true.”

females over 30 “aren’t attractive in the dating pool,”

Kirk consistently denied the existence of white privilege, calling it a “racist lie,” and was a public critic of Critical Race Theory (CRT). He called George Floyd a “scumbag” at one campus event, and made repeated disputed claims about Floyd’s death.

He frequently argued that the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr. is exaggerated, calling King “awful… not a good person.” He called the Civil Rights Movement "a huge mistake."

Perhaps, in his own way, he is simply making some kind of critique of contemporary society? You can easily counter that with argument, without having to label it as hate. Do any of his arguments have any merit at all, or can they all be easily dismissed?

TheCatsTongue · 11/09/2025 20:42

nomas · 11/09/2025 20:39

Yes, because calling the left 'revolting' and 'abhorrent' is really balanced Hmm

I consider the behaviour of the TMZ staff cheering on hearing about his death revolting.

I consider the trans activists who pose with signs calling for the murder of "TERFs" and general violence against women as abhorrent.

Don't you?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 20:42

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 11/09/2025 20:39

I just looked in on FB and weirdly (to
me, anyway) one of my US southern red state leftwing friends (a very good session/touring musician, so well travelled and cosmopolitan compared to most from his rural state) is positing the idea that CK may have been assassinated by Team Trump (pretending to be left wing as a ruse) to prevent CK becoming a more popular replacement. Seems a bit wild when CK wouldn’t even be old enough to run for president in 2028 but I suppose it’s not entirely impossible.

This comes from someone who I admire in many ways but perhaps has a touch of Trump Derangement Syndrome - has anyone else seen similar conspiracy stuff coming from Left (or Right)? I wonder if it’s almost a psychological protective mechanism, not wanting to believe that the killer could be from the ‘right side of history’?

For the record I am not personally speculating on the motivation of the killer (although I tend to go with Occam’s razor in these sorts of scenarios) just wondering if this is now a repeated narrative on SM (like the false deflection of ‘3 dead kids in Colorado’ that was copy pasted everywhere about 12 hours ago but has since turned out to be one dead perp and two injured teens who will hopefully both survive their injuries).

My FB TL was reassuringly sensible, just saying violence isn’t ever justified.

Anactor · 11/09/2025 20:43

Anyahyacinth · 11/09/2025 20:36

How did you feel about Nancy Pelosi's husband or the Democrat couple both murdered? No lowered flags then and guess all 3 favoured gun control. This is being spun for political advantage

This is sheer whataboutery. The scary thing right now is that there have been attacks on both Democrats and Republicans.

How do you feel about politicians being shot, murdered, firebombed for their political views? Is this a sign of a healthy society?

LeaAndDer · 11/09/2025 20:43

Late to the party - who was this man?

nomas · 11/09/2025 20:43

BettyBooper · 11/09/2025 20:27

I didn't say she was wrong. I said that others across the pond might disagree.

This for example

In a country where you can purchase a gun in a supermarket, it’s sadly no surprise that political figures are being targeted for promoting the very views that have caused such hardship.

This presumes that the views caused the hardship. Not all will agree with that.

Which is why debate is crucial.

Edited

But it's true, the easy access to guns did cause this hardship.

If the attacker had a knife, he wouldn't have got anywhere near Kirk's security.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 20:43

TheCatsTongue · 11/09/2025 20:39

So why doesn't everyone else take note and follow the lead of Biden, Harris and Obama, instead of "murder is bad, but..."?

Snap, cross posted with you (more sarcastically)

Anyahyacinth · 11/09/2025 20:44

No he believed in it:

In 2023, Kirk said at a TPUSA Faith event, "We must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty...I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

OtherS · 11/09/2025 20:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 20:12

It’s BlueSky that this is happening on. The left leaning morally superior platform.

Interesting. There's an interview with BlueSky in the Times today that discusses how hideous X and all other social media is, and how BlueSky is infinitely superior as they're not tempted by advertising revenues to push extremism. God knows what would happen if they did start to employ algorithmic coercion like the others then.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 20:44

TheCatsTongue · 11/09/2025 20:42

I consider the behaviour of the TMZ staff cheering on hearing about his death revolting.

I consider the trans activists who pose with signs calling for the murder of "TERFs" and general violence against women as abhorrent.

Don't you?

I find it really concerning that some posters can’t conceive of how left leaning people can ever be revolting or abhorrent.

Blessthismess2 · 11/09/2025 20:45

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 11/09/2025 15:05

related thought:
I live in Manchester and whenever one of the major political parties has their conference here I’ve been really weirded out by all the snipers stationed on neighbouring roofs.

What happened to Charlie Kirk yesterday is a personal wake up call as to why such measures are necessary.

What a depressing thought.

Err no, it’s a reminder why we don’t have the right to bear arms in this country and why the US shouldn’t either. Unfortunately Charlie Kirk did not hold such a view

nomas · 11/09/2025 20:45

TheCatsTongue · 11/09/2025 20:42

I consider the behaviour of the TMZ staff cheering on hearing about his death revolting.

I consider the trans activists who pose with signs calling for the murder of "TERFs" and general violence against women as abhorrent.

Don't you?

So why not say that instead of dismissing the entire left population as revolting?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 20:45

OtherS · 11/09/2025 20:44

Interesting. There's an interview with BlueSky in the Times today that discusses how hideous X and all other social media is, and how BlueSky is infinitely superior as they're not tempted by advertising revenues to push extremism. God knows what would happen if they did start to employ algorithmic coercion like the others then.

Quite! No it’s a small, stagnant pool of similar thinkers, including the media that decamped there in a massive flouncey trumpeted huff.

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/09/2025 20:46

BeanQuisine · 11/09/2025 19:02

Yes, a local tragedy, but not of my doing, and not people I personally know, and I'm certainly not obliged to join in the mourning.

The wider context that might concern me, as a member of the global public, was that of US political extremism, of which Kirk was very much a part, and in that context his murder was not surprising.

And although US political extremism has global ramifications, there's nothing of any consequence I can do about it, so I'm not intending to lose any sleep.

Extremism doesn't arise in a vacuum. When you have polarisation it ncessarily implies extremity at two ends, not just one. One side reacts against the other.

nomas · 11/09/2025 20:46

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 20:44

I find it really concerning that some posters can’t conceive of how left leaning people can ever be revolting or abhorrent.

You really enjoy twisting people's words. It's really obvious and there is no point to it.

TheCatsTongue · 11/09/2025 20:47

nomas · 11/09/2025 20:45

So why not say that instead of dismissing the entire left population as revolting?

Because you know full well what was said, but instead decided to take something out of context (which is what people are doing with CK's comments) to justify wide-scale victimisation.

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 11/09/2025 20:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 20:38

The violence will be on both sides and people will get caught up in it. It’s fine to bluster on about how righteous your shining cause is, but they feel righteous too.

I don't disagree - not sure what your point is. The point I'm making is that political extremism (whether left or right leaning) has real consequences. People with a platform like his should not recklessly incite hate and extremism.

Doesn't make political violence right but it is an entirely predictable outcome of any political extremes. Acknowledging that is not "blustering on" about a righteous cause but common sense.

The US is already in a volatile political climate, and his death will only make that worse.

Lunalara · 11/09/2025 20:47

There is a growing amount of liberals in their 20s or 30s who think we should celebrate deaths such as these. No, I don’t like Trump, but I am getting increasingly frightened by these attitudes. Today I felt like a bigot just for thinking that this was wrong.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 20:48

You were the one who objected to those terms @nomas and I think you’ve been doing some twisting of others’ words yourself.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 20:48

Lunalara · 11/09/2025 20:47

There is a growing amount of liberals in their 20s or 30s who think we should celebrate deaths such as these. No, I don’t like Trump, but I am getting increasingly frightened by these attitudes. Today I felt like a bigot just for thinking that this was wrong.

Yes, I find it really disturbing.

OtherS · 11/09/2025 20:48

nomas · 11/09/2025 20:13

So what does that have to do with here?

I never said it did? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, sorry.

(Also, they absolutely were celebrating it on MN yesterday, immediately as it happened. The post was deleted.)

TheignT · 11/09/2025 20:49

TheignT · 11/09/2025 20:24

In the clip I saw he was talking about hind not trans anything.

Not sure how guns turned into hind.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 20:49

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 11/09/2025 20:47

I don't disagree - not sure what your point is. The point I'm making is that political extremism (whether left or right leaning) has real consequences. People with a platform like his should not recklessly incite hate and extremism.

Doesn't make political violence right but it is an entirely predictable outcome of any political extremes. Acknowledging that is not "blustering on" about a righteous cause but common sense.

The US is already in a volatile political climate, and his death will only make that worse.

Yes I don’t disagree. It is most definitely not an issue exclusive to one side or another.

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