Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

Sums up the thread perfectly: Look at oneself before casting the stone.

Yes I think MN took down at least two big threads.

Anti-fascists are looking more like the fascists every single day.

Someone even started a thread complaining about being “censored” because their posts were deleted for being inappropriate.

We don't know who shot him. Any report of the shooter being right/left wing male/female black/white are at this stage unfounded.

There is a suspect who looks like a (very) skinny white man, but as he is wearing what appears to be a shirt with an emblem that associates him as being more right leaning. However he could have been wearing this to not draw suspicion. But he could also be an innocent bystander.

We simply don't know. We are all jumping to the conclusion that its politicial when it could be anti-christian, or even personal.

Do the right wingers take note of any calls for calm?

And I've already posted the rhetoric that Trump and co are coming out with, which the leadership on the left have not done. The president has a responsibility to urge people to be calm, not stoke violence. Here it is again.

• Donald Trump blamed “radical left political violence,” saying it’s responsible not only for Kirk’s death but also other recent attacks.
• Laura Loomer, a conservative activist, called for the Trump administration to “shut down, defund, & prosecute every single Leftist organization,” labeling the left a “national security threat”.
• Elon Musk posted to his 225 million followers: “The Left is the party of murder”.
• Rep. Nancy Mace and others in Congress echoed similar sentiments, with some shouting “You all caused this” during a moment of silence for Kirk.
• The phrase “This is war” has been used repeatedly by right-wing influencers, suggesting a shift toward more aggressive political confrontation.

What words of yours have I twisted?

I was challenging a poster who said he wasn't bigoted. I never said he deserved to be murdered.

Murder is wrong ALWAYS. His wife and children must be in terrible pain. I have repeatedly said that he definitely did NOT deserve to be murdered.

So you didn't say 'the trouble with the modern left is the belief that they are on the "right side of history" and that no matter how revolting they are they have history on their side, until they don't.?'

How did I take it out of context?

Please stop using AI to generate your posts.

Nobody deserves to be murdered because of their opinions. I don't agree with his ideology in the slightest but a truly awful situation for his family left behind. People who say he deserved it lack empathy.

But the quotes you attributed to people in your post are not extreme views, in that they’re not telling people to go out and kill children and ethnic minorities. They’re commenting on the possible contributory actions of the people on the left to this murder. They happen to believe that’s the case here, and are absolutely entitled to condemn that behaviour.

I never said it did? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, sorry.

That was a reply to Eresh, not you.

Also people don’t have to literally say “he deserved it” for that to essentially be what they are saying.

Im quite happy to be a revolting leftie. I dont believe in murdering people whatever their political allegiance, and i don't believe people can change sex. These two things are not necessarily linked.

Also I just saw the Kirk assassination video and dear God, that lad was dead before he hit the ground. I hope his children don't really understand what they saw.

Agree.

I have been scrolling social media today, and it’s scary.

The absolute glee of people, revelling in a man’s death.
I’d expect some of these responses, there’s always people like that about.

But it’s the sheer number of them. Just so many.

It was kind of like it when the Trump thing happened, but I genuinely believed people were just saying that stuff to be edgy and controversial, safe in the knowledge he was okay.

Now I know they mean it.

The ‘tolerant’ left have shown they genuinely wish death upon people they disagree with.

Not just a few crazies, but across the board, in all walks of life, in all professions.

And it’s fucking scary.

They absolutely are extreme views.

We don't know who has done this yet, but Trump has blamed it on “radical left political violence". That is not only extreme, it's irresponsible and can lead to violence.

Saying that every leftist organisation needs to be shut down is something out of 1984! How can you not think that's extreme?

Elon telling his followers 'the Left is the party of murder' encourages murder against the left.

Those are all genuine quotes. Are you disputing that those things were said?

This post is shit stirring at its core and only aiming to divide.

There is no "right" and "left" there are only extremists and centralists. Its a spectrum not a division.

The extremists are having reactions like "he was a matyr to free speech" and "I am glad he is dead".

The centralists are saying "I disagree with him" and "no-one should be killed"

The extremists want debate, the centralists want discussion.

there is a known threat from the far right, but the far left are far more dangerous with their unhinged ideologies-they are pushing the idea that children need to be sterilised to be their true authentic selves.....madness

His children won't have seen it, they weren't there and I'm sure their mother wouldn't allow the video anywhere near them.

It may have been said with more than a bit blunt of bluntness and a lot of provocation, but it is true that women are at peak fertility in their late teens and twenties. This fact can sit uncomfortably with the fact that girls and women can now expect to put off having children, if they do at all, until their 30's - for whatever reason.

This is really a very recent phenomenon, and is one that is still largely confined to middle class populations in western societies. Women in the rest of the world generally continue to have children at much younger ages.

Should we not ever be permitted to sit back and reflect on the consequneces of this.......not just for society, but for women themselves? Should we never take stock and reflect on where we find ourselves and the play-offs we have to make in order to be congruent with what is considered normal for middle class, eduacted women in the west?

What if women do actually want to have a family, but find themselves in their thirties and approaching the 'end times' of biological clock, and with a dearth of decent men prepared to commit, or be even worth having?

Does saying intentionally provactive things automatically mean hate?

They are set in the same style as ChatGPT and Co-Pilot aka bullet points with a bold heading, and non-bold text.

These are LLM not fact finders, and are very susceptible to disruption and bias.

If you are going to use a LLM to formulate your posts, you need to check that that is what has acutally been said, not just a sound bite that fits in with the theme.

There are thousands of posts celebrating his death.

Literally thousands of them.

Absolute revelry.

I’m shit stirring for observing it and feeling uneasy about it?
My post is what you take issue with?

Go away

No, none of the people I quoted said that.