I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?

[Christinapple]

They want any LGBT person or supporter who makes a threat of violence arrested? Correct? For an example there was Sarah Jane Barker who made a "if you see a TERF, punch 'em in the face!" comment. There was a Glasgow protest where someone held up a cardboard sign with a guillotine crudely drawn with a crayon and "decapacitate TERFs" or something scrawled. These happened years ago and to this day the GC community still talk about and refer to them and say they should have been arrested/charged/convicted.

For another example a trans person a while back jokingly posted something like "let's give KJK a NZ welcome" on twitter which then led to a lot of angry GC people from here making police reports and brigading them (someone posted a link on here and lots went over to be abusive directly to her).

And then Graham Linehan threatens to/incites others to punch trans people in their genitalia (not his first time btw, he has a long track record of threatening and inciting abuse and violence towards LGBT people and their supporters), and yet these same GC people flock to twitter to say that it's "free speech" and "people shouldn't be arrested for online communications".

So what is it to be? If you want LGBT people arrested and charged for threats then GL would need charged too.

If you want GL to have a "legal pass" to make threats then that means it should be the same for all including LGBT people and allies.

Whatever the law is it needs to apply to everyone equally. You can't have one rule for GCs and another rule for LGBT people and allies.

No.

Perhaps some of the drive by scolders could explain why, after years and years of this crap, with more of the cards tumbling every day, they think they will be the ones to defeat us and make us think that men are women and their violent threats towards women are OK and we do not in fact deserve single sex spaces. Do these people all think they are the Chosen One who will bring us down? The TRA Who Was Promised? The Terf Whisperer?

Chips, fried rice and curry sauce. That answer makes as much sense as your question Chris. You know what we what already. You just want to tell us off.

Negroany · Today 16:31
point out to me the Straw Man here as if i were 5...

You will find Google useful.

But the situation you explained was not the same. His was 'if you see', yours was 'I was held in a toilet against my will and fought my way out'.
I'm not punching any man I see in a loo. See. Any man I just SEE. And I would not suggest that to anyone.

SirBasil · Today 18:40
The google comment is a dick move. I know what a straw man is. You can't answer because the two scenarios I asked about are identical.

No, SirBasil is right.

What is she supposed to google exactly? And the two scenarios are exactly the same thing, or you could explain the differences without being patronising... if you can?

There have been a few posters recently who have misunderstood/misapplied strawman. I've been wondering why.

I'm very happy for you to describe yourself as "sex realist", and to avoid the description "gender critical" when talking about yourself. But I am a little puzzled, as your description of yourself views looks exactly like "gender critical" to me.

I do have to laugh at Chrissy mentioning a couple of examples of the signs with violent threats written on them as if they are isolated examples 'from years ago'. The images I am posting are from less than six months ago.

And you just don't see equivalent examples at women's rights events. You just don't. Because we're not violent, aggressive entitled men.

They like to read what women here say and then repeat their words back at them, it's DARVO

Actually most people want penïses out of little girls changerooms and sports.
Check out www.terfisaslur.com to see all the male violence directed at women over the years.

p.s. You know Mr Baker chewed off his own testïcles and ate them, right?

He may possibly have cut off his testicles( he claims to have done so), but he definitely didn't chew them off before eating them.

GL's joke was not designed to incite violence.
GC women ,on the other hand
have been threatened with decapitation, murder,.rape JKR says she can paper her walls with the threats she receives.
Such people intend intimidating women and should be arrested and charged. By the way, it makes no difference whether threats are made by LGBT person's or not - they deserve to be arrested whoever they are.

And SCENE.

You are disingenuous if you don't understand the difference, @Christinapple .

Baker wanted feminists punched FOR NO REASON other than they're feminists.

All Linehan said is what is said in SELF DEFENCE CLASSES. If a male is harassing you and won't leave you alone, go for the balls.

Case one wants feminists punched for absolutely nothing and no reason other than they are feminists.
Case two is about SELF DEFENCE. It's really that simple. Even Camilla herself had to resort to attacking a male attacker in the balls;

How is repeating something told and taught in self defence classes 'malicious/threatening communications'?

We had someone the other day who claimed that learning self defence techniques was premeditated violence, might be where Chris got this from. These are not serious people.

That poster was comedy gold! 😂

For those that missed it, they also said they wished they were LOJ's mum and it would be a privilege if they were, honestly haven't laughed so much in weeks! 😂😂

I hate intellectual snobbery (I'm not well educated and compared to most on this board, I'm thicker than 2 short planks!), but that poster didn't strike me as the brightest spark!

Chris has said they don't understand why females need our hard won safe single sex spaces.

No female would say such a thing, as we know our own oppression (and needs) by instinct.

Chris also tries to belittle JKR by calling her Jo. Dude.

Hi @Christinapple since you want to bring up @Glinner and his recent arrest for giving the same self defence advice (bar pointing out that transwomen are men) that my police force (police Scotland) gave to my DS's special school on Monday vs the threats of rape and/or other physical violence upto and including death threats I'm happy to do so.
What do we want the police to do, simply arrest and prosecute every single tra and/trans person who threatens, harasses, stalks or intimates gc people and for them to treat every transwomen who does this to women as the violent men who are abusing predominately women that they are. In fact I'd like the persecution of women by transwomen to be elevated in law to a hate crime with an additional 10 year jail term added onto the sentence of these men (yes I know a normal.hate crime enhancement is only 5 years but that's not enough for the abuse from men who pose as women imho).
I'd also like the police to follow the Nolan principle that they are legally bound by.
I'd also like every transwomen who enters female single sex spaces to be prosecuted for, sexual harassment (just for being in 1), and voyeurism and/or indecent exposure, with those like Sophie Molly who take photos of themselves in these facilities to charged over each and every single photo as intimidation and threatening behaviour and malicious communication.
I'd like the police to arrest and prosecute TRAs for wasting police time.
Basically i want the police to follow the law as its currently written (bar the extra 10 years jail term) and apply it equally to both GC and trans as they are duty bound to but have spectacularly failed to do.

He *cut them off, and then ate them, he says.
And that's enough of that conversation.
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Exactly. Males can never understand how us females feel and how vulnerable we are. If they were actually women in their heads, they'd understand and sacrifice themselves like actual women do, but they DEMAND to get what they want when they want and don't give a care how women feel. This proves they retain Male Pattern Thought Process and don't think like a woman.

How did it go too far though, @user2848502016 ? All he said is what is taught in self defence classes. If a man is harassing you and you can't get away, knee him/punch in the balls. That's all he said. It is what every parent teaches their daughter, and it's what self defence classes teach.

Are you saying we should eradicate self defence classes now, too?

The problem is the OP, like many TRA/MRAs on here 'post and run', they never return to actually have a conversation. The OP is renowned for posting and running and never, ever, ever engaging with any of the comments from anyone or answering any questions. One side (us) want a discussion. The others are hit and run posters who refuse answer or engage.

Chris has done his usual post and run, hasn't he?

I do wonder what he gets out of being made to look a fool time and time again.

Perhaps we are supposed to ask the balls whether they identify as female before we decide whether to punch them or not.