Posting upton’s old photos and name on twitter

[Biggadyboom]

Look I’ve been in these discussions since before this forum existed. You don’t need to break it down for me. I peaked in 2018.

But the endless sharing of upton’s name accompanied by photos and horrible comments about him and his wife is not nice. It is totally is transphobia. It’s horrible.

I could kind of understand the point of it, if it was just the name being shared.

But equally the court has ruled that Upton has a right to privacy. I thought it was all about respecting court’s rulings?

but the sharing of private photos (presumably grabbed from social media) and especially their wedding photo with insults to both of them and speculation about their marriage is awful and will not help their be a resolution to this debate. It polarises it even more and is transphobia.

fair enough, don’t let Upton change the rules of the country and workplace based on personal beliefs . But that doesn’t involve posting personal information and photos , insults and horrible speculation.

or are we just going low now?

Yes that's exactly what you're doing

Let's try again.

Please quote one sentence that JK Rowling has actually said, in her own words, and explain using YOUR own words, why you think it is transphobic.

No links please, unless they are directly to a tweet of JK Rowling's.

I’d have to count up responses to see if the majority of replies disagrees with you that it was wrong to post the photos, maybe it is. Many replies disagree that posting publically available photos and making rude comments was ‘transphobic’. You disagree and think it is transphobic.

Granted that tone is hard to read in a comment but even if you actually were being genuine (were you? or were you being passive aggressive?) when you said But most of you disagree. Which is fine, happy to leave it there. I've learnt a fair bit about attitudes and appreciate everyone's time

Surely you can see that saying that after telling everyone that, in your opinion, they’re being transphobic and rude is going to come across as snippy at best because you don’t like their ‘attitudes’ and patronising and dismissive at worst? And that’s going to get people’s backs up. I think it can be hard to fully articulate your thoughts on this subject, so if that wasn’t your intention, then hopefully you’ll understand why others have misread your tone.

“And no you have not been polite by continuously making unnecessary irrelevant demands.”

Says the person who make unnecessary irrelevant demands.

You made a specific point and you have not supported it. You accused her of a generalisation that she will not have made because she understands very well that not all trans people are predatory sex fetishists.

It’s hard to tell what your position is. It’s not unfair to point out though that a) you’re scold people on here for things they don’t do then b) flounce off then c) come back for more.

Much of the opprobrium directed at TRA’s on this site seems to come from those same consistent features in their contributions to threads they start.

You say you learned a lot about attitudes of others contributing here. That works both ways, of course.

Who? 👀

Is it his trans identity which is /was the problem?

He was in a hospital with senior staff who wanted PS handcuffed by police held in a jail cell and facing charges for objecting to a male staff member deciding he had a right to use the female changing rooms.

She had a contractual obligation to use the changing room but no contractual obligation to provide him with companionship or participate in peepshow.

He has full access to the male changing room.

He decided to not use a male changing room.

Do you think the males who were happy to have a female member of staff hauled off to jail were going to object to him in the male changing room?

Do you think that one "woman" (man who thinks he is a "woman") and some men in a now "mixed sex changing room is different to him choosing to force women into a mixed sex changing room situation.

Could it be that his actual choices, his actions, his bullying, his abuse of his position are the reasons that the lable pervert is applied?

What single term would you use to sum up the actions of one of the other male doctors if he has no trans ID and is demanded a female nurse change her clothing in front of him when she objected ?
He is a ___< ?

you see, your understanding of words and my understanding of words apparently diverge.

I would like you to post a screenshot of any of my impolite posts? You can't because i am polite.

As an aside, i am currently bored and waiting for something to happen. So i am looking through JKRs twitter feed to find the hate. i have found this from a transwoman claiming to be a biological woman. Presumably using the Upton definition of: "i am human, humans are biological. I claim to be a woman, therefore because i am human and therefore biological, i am therefore a biological woman"

No there aren’t. Bevause it’s all they’ve got.

Weaponised graciousness is hilarious. It's like that 'honey' person last week with the magic hat that told them which countries other posters lived in (it must have been a magic hat, there's no other way; though not an infallible magic hat). They really have no idea how they come across to people outside their own circle.

Citizenship is a legal construct. You can acquire a citizenship you did not have at birth, or be born with one your parents did not, or do not have. You can also lose citizenships.

You cannot change sex.

Bump.

You cannot change sex, and the freedom not to conform to sex-role stereotypes is a basic feminist principle.

And here is a fundamental misunderstanding, of which you exhibit so very many.

Non gender conforming people have existed since dot & now have the freedom to express themselves fully & publicly.

Having arrived here only last week, you must have missed the frequent threads in which we discuss our attitudes to gender conformity, and in which many (perhaps the majority?) of us acknowledge that we ourselves do not conform. The clue is in the name: "gender critical". We are critical not just of gender identity theory but of gender norms themselves. We welcome the loosening of gender norms in modern society. We don't think women should necessarily bake cakes, or wear pretty dresses and makeup, or be sweet and agreeable. Yes, we can do those things if we want, but we don't have to. You may also have noticed that some of us are rude and aggressive, that is, we exhibit behaviour more commonly associated with men.

But here's the important bit: we draw the line at sex. Women who are rude and aggressive are still women, and men who wear dresses are still men. The difference lies in our physical bodies, not our behaviour.

Oh, but now you're going to say that if some women are aggressive, then we have no justification to eliminate only men from our single sex spaces. Wrong. I repeat, the difference lies in our physical bodies. Men are much stronger than women, they have cocks, and they have a testosterone-fuelled sexual urge that causes some (not all) of them to disregard women's boundaries. And because we don't know which of them are the wrong 'uns, we keep all of them out. Including the ones who wear dresses.

So please, if you genuinely want to engage with us in debate, take the time to find out who we are and what we believe, and why we believe it. Don't just bombard us with cut-and-paste posts cobbled together in three minutes flat, composed of insults, catch phrases, and links to material that is either irrelevant or has already been debunked multiple times.

And if you continue with your current posting style, you're just going to get abuse. Too bad.

This is an interesting point to me. I think at its heart is does a subjective belief in being able to change sex carry more weight than another persons beliefs. I’m very live and let live generally. If you want to dress as a woman and be called Beth then that has no impact on me, My belief is that men don’t change sex so a Tim in the ladies would impact me and I’d feel justified in complaining.

have gone through a couple of weeks worth of JKR tweets.

you will need to enlarge the image because i put 6 on a page

"As an aside, i am currently bored and waiting for something to happen."

Really, here's something to keep you entertained about Mumsnet & hate speech from the head horses mouth…

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2022/05/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-interview

Who needs hate speech guilde lines on Mumsnet re trans if it never happens right? 😂

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Guess what the male medical doctor said under oath in a UK Court room?

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Did you just become a Nazi and kill someone with your transphobia?

Hiya @Biggadyboom . For what it's worth, I find loads of the personal comments about loads of people on X pretty below the belt and unnecessarily nasty.

We could make your same argument about any one of them, and I would agree.

But marking out Upton as a special case for consideration, especially on this board, especially given that I don't think posters on this board are doing the commenting was never going to go down well.

may also have noticed that some of us are rude and aggressive

I often go over posts before I send them and edit out 'sorry' or 'but' or any of the other words women, more than men, have been encouraged to use to make ourselves seem less.

Of course, that is JKR's crime. A woman should never speak her mind without apologising for doing so.

Which one is worthy of complaint? They all seem fine to me.

There are rules around hate speech here? WHO KNEW? we don't see it because it is deleted.

And that is how it should be.

that is my point.

anti-trans stereotypes

'Anti-trans'. Ok, there we have it. The OP has shown themselves with that statement there that they are not GC and are just goading. Strange how they have made no contribution to any feminist discussion and the first they do is to scold women and now use the TRA term 'anti-trans'.

You're really not convincing anyone.

Dear Readers

Once again I ask :

Is it wrong to say

"Please fuck right off with the utter fucking stupid fucking idea that the only fuckin way a woman can fucking be subjected to fucking sexual violence is if she is alone." ?

Or to suggest that :

" if a fuckin Doctor wants to wave his fuckin penis around in a room full of women

and is making a fucking list of women who object

and is on to his fuckin Union to find out how the fuck he can fuckin force the women who dont want to be in the fuckin room to participate in his fuckin public penis waving

and whining to his fuckin Manager about a woman refusing to participate in his fuckin penis waving

and is fuckin making up fucking stories to have that woman removed from her role and removed from her profession

he is subjecting her to sexual violence not the him loosing his fuckin shit and battering her type of violence it is a fuckin calculating use of fuckin power to try to fuckin force women to participate in his funkin penis waving activity" ?