Women Against the Far Right - Open Letter

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A collection of prominent women have signed an open letter regarding the far right's consistent, and increasing, 'justification' for their vile behaviour that immigrants represent a sexual threat to women.

It's true that there are some instances of sexual violence committed by migrants, the overwhelming majority - to the surprise of absolutely nobody - is committed by men who are UK nationals and born here.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this subject, specifically whether your personal politics regarding migrants are coloured by the degree of threat you feel.
I am aware that there are some people on this board who hold views not wholly compatible with the rest of us, so please remember to be kind, patient, and thoughtful in your responses.

Source Links
Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse
Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/womens-safety-far-right-vawg-government-b2811674.html

The overwhelming majority of men in this country are UK nationals who were born here.
The right way to compare the risk from different subsections of the male population is per capita.

Everyone who has sexually assaulted me or anyone I know has been legally welcomed or native to this country. People don't want to think of their husbands and sons as the predators, so they blame The Others.

Id give more credence to Farage and Yaxley Lennon's claims if they were seeing their arses every time white UK national grooming gangs or individuals were exposed or charged in the UK, as often as they do if the men are brown.
They care no more about girls and women's safety than trans activists. They're just whipping up a frenzy for their personal.gain. Don't forget those years Farage spent in Russia - who were found to have interfered in the Brexit vote - and how he is backed by people like Steve Bannon. Farage is a very scary prospect as a prime minister (even typing those words gives me the shivers). He was an MEP for fisheries with one of the worst attendance records, and pushed hard for Brexit, while all the time shafting the fishing industry along with everyone else. But he won't refuse his European Parliamentary pension when the time comes.
Yaxley Lennon is basically a throwback to the 70's and 80's football hooligans. Thugs who hid behind a 'cause'.
Of course we need to "vet" and watch people who migrate here. But we need to realise that in work figures for migrants are (slightly) higher than UK nationals, they don't want to be here for benefits, they want to work and pay tax.

British people cannot understand the concept of per capita. Innumeracy is rife among journalists I’m afraid.

Those of you who have referenced the significance of per capita stats, do you know of any such stats that justify any heightened concern whatsoever about men who are migrants, as opposed to men who have always lived in the UK?

If there are such stats, and if they are reliably provided by statisticians (rather than shoddily collated by people with an axe to grind) is the variation more significant than, say, variation as to age, educational level or any other of the demographic variables that researchers might use to analyse offending rates?

If not, can you say why this particular variable has significance?

The issue is that a) non white men are more likely to be reported for crimes they do commit (and crimes they don't) and b) they're more likely to be convicted of crimes they did and did not commit.

So per capita is just a reflection of harsher policing on non-white communities. The scary thing is that if there are groups of white groomers like they had with the Asian gangs in Rochdale, they are being concealed by authorities and probably include notable figures with power. We will never know.

Or they don't want to understand it. If they can pretend there is no issue then they can continue to promote open borders, as is fashionable.

I dislike the rhetoric that's transphobic to acknowledge that allowing transwomen into women's spaces poses safeguarding risks, and I dislike the rhetoric that it's far right to be concerned about the attitudes towards women of men from certain countries and the rates of sexual assault. Even the debunking of Nigel Farage's claims acknowledge that men from some countries had 3x the rate of rape and sexual assault. The implication is that we have to turn a blind eye to female victims if we don't want to be seen as hateful bigots. I'm not saying I like Reform and/or want to close the borders - I just think that we need to be pragmatic and realistic in all issues.

I don't really care what Charlotte Church and Paloma Faith think. They are keen to hop on any bandwagon to show off their "kindness".

Both things can be true. It's men. From this country, from other countries, probably if they were from the moon, common denominator, maleness.

I agree there is real danger in explicitly linking immigration to sexual violence, but women are also sick of not being able to name what they experience, that men from particular cultures have really shitty heading into dangerous attitudes to women. The letter in the Guardian would have more credence if they had not obfuscated the fact that the scores of women assaulted on NYE in Cologne were assaulted en masse by men of North African origin.

If you have ever walked down Blackstock Road in Finsbury Park in London, you will see the attitude on display. Men hanging out of shops constantly cat calling women and young girls.

But again, both things can be true, take truck fulls of young men from this country, expose them to repeated traumas, and real dangers, plonk them in another country where they know no one, don't speak the language, have no anchors and I suspect there would be some pretty awful behavior towards the local women.

Sexual violence is not the preserve of brown and black men. It is all men

I would love to see any evidence of this. I'm not being goady - if you have any evidence please can you share it.

I think it likely men keep the offending rates of their country of origin. Men from certain countries present higher risk to women than those from others.

Preventing people from discussing this, and failing to collect statistics of offenders, leaves women free to fear the worst. Collect the statistics. Demonstrate the baselessness of the fear, and everyone will relax.

I literally live in Finsbury Park..it isnt like that at all. I live next to the mosque and shop on Blackstock road every day for the last 25 years plus. My butcher is at the top end, blue sign. Lovely green eyes. He's been there since early 2000s. I lived there when hook hand used to preach in the streets. Went to a local school and everything. No, Blackstock road isn't like that at all. There was a wave of people inappropriately gathering in covid but that's it.

Those of you who have referenced the significance of per capita stats, do you know of any such stats that justify any heightened concern whatsoever about men who are migrants, as opposed to men who have always lived in the UK?

They are just more likely to offend. You should know this from arrest data, iirc the Times published an article on this. It’s a pattern all across Europe as well (but not America, so don’t use our statistics to prove any points here).

I think the larger point is that they present an additional risk that is 100% preventable if you were serious about border control.

So because we agree that all men of all colours and nationalities commit sexual assault and rape we are all supposed to be ok with allowing even more men from cultures that allow child marriage and rape into our country and not aim to restrict their numbers and reduce women’s risk?

There's plenty of evidence that shows the racism in the CJS. You're more likely to be convicted and receive a longer sentence when you are non-white. Literally all these stats show is that the low rate of rape convictions is largely down to white men getting away with reported rapes.

America allows child marriage. The number of American immigrants in NorthEast London has risen dramatically. They bloody love the canals and the River Lee. We should make them feel more unwelcome.

I am afraid none of the stats will actually mean anything, since they started just not recording or reporting on reality. So whichever stats people are using, will be wrong.

It is a feature as they say, not a bug.

Both things can be true. It's men. From this country, from other countries, probably if they were from the moon, common denominator, maleness.

yep and I'd be far more inclined to pay attention to this letter if it wasn't signed by the fully paid up TWAW/men are women if they say they are you bigot/only old real clutchers want single sex spaces because they're past it and not down with the shiny new women with cocks

as has been said so many times on here; if someone is prepared to lie and say that men are women if they say they are, I'm inclined to ignore their views on anything related to women because they apparently don't know what one is

This is also my experience. I’ve been sexually assaulted several times and always by men native to the UK, some of whom I had known for a while.

You’re absolutely spot on IMO about people not wanting to consider that our husbands, brothers, sons can commit sexual assault so they blame and scapegoat The Brown / Black Foreigner. The narrative around this and the speed with which it’s caught on thanks to social media is deeply disturbing.

Over a few summer weeks the UK has exposed itself as racist as it was 50 years and more ago. I feel very sorry for all non-white people in the UK who are just trying to live ordinary, peaceful lives.

Theyre more likely to be convicted. What we no about offences is that sexual assault and rape has a very low conviction rate. Most people reported arent convicted. We don't have figures on how many people are assaulted or raped, we have figures on how many people manage to report their assault or rape and then how many people are convicted as a result of those reports.

We also know that rape and assaults are very underreported though. Particularly when the victim feels there is limited chance of successful prosecution. White men are the lest likely to be prosecuted for it and so it stands to reason fewer people will report them when they offend.

Are they even comparing like for like? In the US they were throwing out similar statements but it turned out that black offenders were more likely to be charged with lesser crimes as part of a plea deal, so they would get a longer sentence on what facially seems a minor crime (which is then laundered as proof of ‘racism’)

So many people are so desperate to read things into the stats about how it’s supposedly more likely for a migrant to commit a sexual offence (it’s not based on the stats) and yet they miss the obvious….its nearly all men.

If they really want to keep women safe why are they focussing on what can be done about a minority of migrants rather than what is clearly so deeply wrong with our patriarchal society?

And if they’re so desperate to have decent stats to back up their anti migration rhetoric then they should start by campaigning for higher rape and sexual offences conviction rates, and the fundamental flaws in the system that stop women even reporting in the first place. But that’s a bit too pro women for them, much easier to spray paint a wonky red cross and have a pop at a brown bloke

Americans undergo background checks as part of any visa process. You don’t do the same for asylum seekers, do you?

I fins it weird that we are here talking about men raping women and yet some cant help but segue into the whole trans thing again. Most violence against women and girls happens by men who present as men and male figures in the lives of these women and girls. Stop trying to bring another agenda into this one.

I'd have to believe that they were caught and convicted in a country that allows child marriage. Remember who they have as president. Why would I trust their systems?

Because they'd have to admit that the men in their lives are a potential problem.