Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

That's not what a child should be doing regardless of the state of affairs.

Is this what you believe? That all children, regardless of the state of affairs, regardless of disability or no disability, should not describe the reality of the sex of the people around them, or the adults caring for them, but should do what they’re told instead? Regardless of the risks involved?

It doesn’t surprise me you don’t see the safeguarding issue.

What do you think they'd have done if she left it blank?

Of course it is. They've asked parents for their children's pronouns. They're obviously gender zealots.

How strange that they forget to record the real reason for blocking the child and decide to record an unlawful one instead? 🤔

No, we don't all 'have pronouns'.

People refer to other people using pronouns. The language is used by others. These words don't 'belong' to the person they're being used about.

No I don't think children should insist someone is say a boy, based on their limited experience of the world, even after being corrected and then be allowed to express all the reasons they think the other child isn't a girl and still call them "he".

I get why and how the waters have been muddied here, but I think that's for adults to handle on an actual political level. Voting, protests, etc.

With trans ideologists, they consider any questioning to be 'aggressive'. Even polite questioning or polite disagreement is considered 'aggressive'. Anything less than 100% submission is 'aggressive', and 'literal genocide'. So I'd take their side with 6 thousand truck loads of salt.

If the form was not a place to express socio-political views why did the organisation decide to collect a viewpoint via their form?

Why did the staff member engage in a process designed for additional data collection?

Why did staff who held a different socio-political view reject the application on the basia of their viewpoint and the mother viewpoint not being in agreement?

Well given that the adults are actively lying she was right to do this! If they were not telling children lies she wouldn't have to tell her child not to trust them.

Even if you are right and the mum is a massive gender roles conformist, why does that mean that the adults at this camp can lie to children? And that the mum shouldn't raise this?

I recognise what you are saying - rigid gender stereotypes are found in a number of social groups, not just the trans movement.

I suppose what makes the the trans reliance on gender stereotypes stand out so much is that they and their supporters claim to be the brave progressive ones, and gender critical women, who just want children to be children and men and women to be whatever kind of men and women they choose to be, are bigoted old dinosaurs who are going to die out soon!

Well we do have pronouns that are appropriate for us and those may need clarifying at times. Especially today, in the ways we communicate, it may not always be clear whether someone is male or female. Such as right now online.

If someone was referring to me and said "he said", it would be fine for me to say that those aren't my pronouns because I am a woman.

Well said. It's breathtaking the willingness of people who claim to be parents to throw children under the bus. Allowing random adult gender zealots to gaslight children, to pretend that sex change is possible and to create a climate of fear and intimidation via compelled speech (nonsense pronouns) in order to bully children out of understanding reality.

A complete safeguarding fail supported by some parents. No wonder we see such extreme levels of child abuse in society when those parents who do safeguard their children are so harshly criticised.

The camp supposedly segregates children on the basis of what they call 'gender'.

So the question re pronouns is clearly highly pertinent and affects their safeguarding decisions.

It seems likely that it was, going by this paragraph in the article:

In a written summary of the call uncovered by the mother using a subject access request, which allows an individual to see all personal information an organisation holds about them, Ms McCluskie [a clinical director at the charity] recalled “explaining the importance of pronouns at our camps to ensure inclusivity and respect for all children”.

This charity believes that pronouns are important. They are gender zealots.

Which do you mean?

Children can sex humans from an early age, even their peers. Very occasionally they get it wrong and can get confused. If a child has made a mistake, that mistake should corrected. In that instance, it’s appropriate for a child to be “told” what sex someone is and what pronouns to use.

But you’re condoning the opposite: when a child is correct in identifying the sex of the human they’re describing, and using the correct sex pronouns, you’re saying children should be “told” that is wrong, and “told” not to do it. This is gaslighting children, abusive and a monumental safeguarding failure. Why do you support this?

Yes but remember that there are a lot of transgendered people who are estranged from their families because they dont share their beliefs about gender. So it isn't like everybody who identifies as trans was raised by a parent who was all for the ideology by any means. But I bet the commonality will be that these parents all hold pretty rigid gender views despite their belief that they do not.

"Now she fucked over her kid all because she just couldn't hold back from ranting about her opinions."

The word "seriously" is a rant? What did the camp think it was going to accomplish by contacting her? What was the point? If submitting pronouns is voluntary then what difference would it make what was written there? The point wasn't her behavior after the fact the point was that she didn't comply with the right think to begin with. The camp should have just ignored what the parent wrote but they escalated it by calling her to criticize her views. Doesn't matter if another kid who is part of the cult is attending the camp the courts have made it clear you cannot compell people to say/believe what they dont believe, period. Even if she had left it blank her child has a right to not call a boy who thinks he a girl a girl and the camp can't do anything about it. What do they think they're going to do in the future when this situation inevitably happens? Calling a boy a boy isn't harassment because the truth is not hate speech.

In my personal experience, children aren't right as much as adults. And then even when many adults are right and correctly identify someone who isnt gender conforming as their correct sex, they do so in a way that reinforces rigid gender roles, such as the "boyish girl" or the "girly boy". Not just another variation of being a boy or a girl.

She made it clear that her child should use sexed pronouns as per their observations, not be coerced to pretend someone was the opposite sex.

Do you belief a child a the camp should also go with what they were being told by an abuser if there was one at camp? If he told them he was a she and they should pretend that he was doing something ok?

The problem is that the people doing the correcting here are lying. Do you not see the problem?

The child in this situation is likely to be right (there is a 'trans child' at camp and the adults are lying (they buy into gender ideology ).

You are focused on the idea (without evidence) that the child will mis-sex another child based on gender stereotypes.

Why do you think a disabled child would be unable to correctly sex another child? Why do you assume that the mother believes in gender stereotypes?

"Dont tell your mum I raped you."

Parental / family alienation is baked into transgender ideology & practice with children being told from a young age that if parents don't immediately affirm and use correct pronouns they're bigots and children are better off without them.

Anyone who know anything about the life outcomes for children alienated from theur families (national data shows they do appallingly in every aspect measured) knows that keeping children in their families where possible is the best outcome.

But this doesn't stop the adult gender zealots who make it their business to promote the notion to children that parents who try to establish boundaries and safeguard children are bigots and transphobes and must be rejected.

But that doesn’t answer my question. Do you condone the practice of deliberately gaslighting children into believing they’re wrong about the sex of the person they’ve identified? Do you believe it to be appropriate for adults to lie to children? If so, why? Don’t you see the safeguarding problem with that?

It just shows your intentions. It isn't to only tackle things that may rise. It is to attack anything you think might have the potential of rising.

Why are you so focused on the child doing potentially the 'wrong thing' with zero evidence, when the adults are absolutely already doing the wrong thing from the evidence out of their own mouths?