Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

[PaddingtonSwear]

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Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

There is huge social contagion, online grooming is massive, and schools and organisations working with children and young people have been infiltrated by those pushing gender ideology.

Including charities whose aim is to support severely disabled children.

This charity is part of this problem. The people in the charity pushing this agenda need to be stopped.

This is an ironic post surely?! 😂😂

’She's essentially telling her son that her views on sex and gender supersede anyone else's reality’ There is no reality involved in GI, people can’t change sex, it is immutable and binary.

’Then, instead of not answering the question, she found it appropriate to voice her socio-political views on a form’ The charity voiced their socio political views on a form, which are not based on truth or facts, and just bully anyone who has a grasp on reality to go along with it.

’When you try and weaponise your child into being your little political parrot, it is highly unfair on them and can even become abusive.’ How can it be weaponising your child when what you are teaching them is factual, reality based biological truth?

If you don't like it, cool, move along - you don't need to. Just keep your opinions to yourself! Simple.

Hmmm...

Man declares his pronouns are she/her.

If you don't like it, cool, move along - you don't need to. Just keep your opinions to yourself! Simple.

She/her follows you into the women's changing room.

If you don't like it, cool, move along - you don't need to. Just keep your opinions to yourself! Simple.

While you're in the women's toilets she/her asks you for a tampon.

If you don't like it, cool, move along - you don't need to. Just keep your opinions to yourself! Simple.

A few months later, police contact you because explicit videos of you peeing have been found on she/her's hard drive. Or perhaps you're a nurse and the police are contacting you because a woman on your ward has been raped, and the only penis around at that time was the one attached to the she/her's body.

If you don't like it, cool, move along - you don't need to. Just keep your opinions to yourself! Simple.

At what point is it appropriate to say "No. Stop."?

How about those of us actually concerned with safeguarding and women's rights tell you If you don't like it, cool, move along - you don't need to. Just keep your opinions to yourself! Simple.

I think we can guess can't we given their attitude.

If you believe men can be women it's perfectly reasonable for a male member of staff to help little girls in the toilet or to undress. No need to be chaperoned even because "he told us he feels quite feminine and he has make-up on which proves it"

And of course a 17yo boy who asks nicely if he can shower with 8yo girls must be allowed to.

The one broken part in the mental mechanism that makes decisions makes every decision problematic and should disqualify people who are broken in this way from any position of responsibility.

yep. They segregate by 'gender', which means that they acknowledge the need for single sex spaces and the risks of mixed sex spaces, but pretend that those needs and risks are negated if somebody decides to identify out of being a risk.

I’ve just filled in three bingo cards reading this post, it’s exhausting. The amount of emotional blackmail on display leads me to believe you must be about 15. I have no interest in discovering someone’s gender, as it’s a social construct designed to elevate boring people to interesting, and failing incidentally. I have however, never failed to correctly sex someone, and I do that by using my eyes. You should try it, it’s really easy.

Do we all "have pronouns"? The pronouns that you use about me are your pronouns as far as I'm concerned - they will normally be used by you automatically without conscious thought, based on what you know and have observed. As you haven't seen me and probably haven't seen my (too) many previous posts, I'm guessing you don't have any information about my sex or any gender identity I might have. So if you were to say to a friend "that ROGC on Mumsnet is talking rubbish, [insert pronoun here] is really annoying", you would either guess "she" or "he", or use the singular "they" that people tend to use when they don't know which pronoun to use. In my opinion, any of those choices would be perfectly reasonable.

If you saw me or a photo of me, you would undoubtedly use "he" as in my case that is totally obvious. You would not use "he" because my pronouns are "he/him", but as a convenient usage of language; if you consciously thought which pronoun to use, it would be entirely your choice - unless I put pressure on you to use what I would like you to use. But your pronouns to refer to me do not belong to me, they belong to you. You are not borrowing "my" pronouns, you are using your pronouns, your words, your language.

You think the medical staff didn’t know there was a man on the ward? Sure. Absolutely. Definitely. I mean, there’s just no way to tell is there?

There are so many red flags with that poster, it must be a wind up.

‘Especially today, in the ways we communicate, it may not always be clear whether someone is male or female. Such as right now online.’

It funny, because right now, I’m not actually finding it unclear at all. It seems pretty obvious.

This is a quote from an exact case that happened. It's not an illogical leap. It was a real life example of how a woman was gaslit into believing she couldn't have been raped on a hospital ward as there no men present. She was raped by a trans woman aka a trans identifying male which they established after watching the CCTV footage.

She was making it about her child’s safety, which is what any parent would and should do. Imagine believing that there are acceptable circumstances when you would allow and validate strangers either lying to your child, or telling your child to lie. Unbelievable. This ideology rots people’s brains.

Equity for female people.

The clue's in the name.

It’s just another way of isolating women and children and stripping away their rights, just be nice, kind, don’t upset people etc etc. It’s a gift to every predatory man out there.

Those two are the exceptions to the rule, 98% of sexual crimes are carried out by men.

If someone was referring to me and said "he said", it would be fine for me to say that those aren't my pronouns because I am a woman.

Nobody would say that unless they been never in gender identity. Any ordinary, rational woman would simply say "I'm a woman" without any of the 'my pronouns' nonsense.

'My pronouns' - what complete and utter nonsense. My pronouns are the ones I utter about myself. Telling other people what pronouns to use, particularly telling others to deny the evidence of their senses and use incorrect, wrong-sex pronouns, is nothing more than coercive control.

Nobody would say that unless they believed in gender identity.

it does not affect you!**

Good. You will pleased to know that I won’t let it affect me - I will continue to demand proper safeguarding, tell trans identified men to stay out of women’s spaces and sport, demand female language is reserved for women and girls, that we are called women and girls and refuse to use wrong-sexed ‘preferred pronouns’. That is what you mean isn’t it? That men who identify as trans will use male spaces, sports and language and won’t impact on women? That disability clubs like this won’t try to indoctrinate our children?

Who is bei g taught to lie to me? I'm sorry I'm just not fluent in all this hyperbole.

I would say that I'm not male or that I am female.

Not sure what that is supposed to mean.

No firstly, she said that her child will be calling anyone they think looks like a girl, a girl, which is a problem. She's essentially telling her son that her views on sex and gender supersede anyone else's reality. So if I am a boy with long hair, her son will be calling me a girl if he associates long hair solely with females. He will be calling any girls with short hair and a liking for physical activity a boy.

I've picking up on an underlying presumption that disabled children are less likely to be able to determine sex than other children. First of all, disability is a catch-all word that does not necessarily mean the person's cognitive capacity is affected.

Secondly, amongst those whose disability does affect their cognitive capacity, I find that people with significant learning disabilities may find it easier to recognise another person's sex! Simply because their learning disabilities meant they have never learnt any misleading generalisations about long hair.

For example, I have seen such a person with learning disabilities instantly recognise a man as a man, despite the man's long hair, because he went by what he saw. At no level does he consciously or subconsciously think "human with long hair, must be a woman because mum and dad told only women have long hair".

Should the long-haired man actually identify as trans, it would cause this disabled man distress and confusion to be told that he had to pretend he thought the long-haired man was a woman. I don't think he's capable of it to be honest.

Agree with @JellySaurus .

Pronouns are a function of the language of the person speaking. If their native language uses sexed third person pronouns, that is what they automatically reach for.

Saying “what are your pronouns?” is a coded way of asking “do you identify as being a member of the opposite sex?”

Trans people use the explicit statement of “their” pronouns to tell people that they want to be seen as the opposite sex.

It is only necessary because most people will otherwise read them as their natal sex. It is an explicit instruction to join in a collective pretence.

Expecting the level of complex game-playing from disabled children is unrealistic.

This thread is absolutely WILD. Thank you all you wonderful wims who know about safeguarding and protecting children's understanding of reality. But truly, it must be exhausting.

Yep. However, women on this board have, over the years, helped to inform people about safeguarding, and help prompt people to consider why it's important, why/how people try to circumvent it, what the risks are, etc.

One of the main things I've learned is that safeguarding is never 'done'. It's always necessary to keep asking questions, challenging narratives, educating, informing, etc. (oneself as much as others)