Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

And that is a data point collected by the staff as data unknown.

I didn't say she should have got her husband to do it.

It’s amazing isn’t it, how willing people are to boldly state out loud and upfront how they don’t understand how safeguarding works, as if they’re proud of it. I’d be mortally ashamed if I held the belief that not making a fuss should be prioritised over preventing potential abuse, not repeating it ad nauseam on a thread.

And that would mean what for the child?

They all knew. He was a fully intact male, an obvious male, and even the nurses looking after him LIED and said he wasn't a man, when they physically tended to him! They KNEW he was a fully intact male and they lied.

Here's an example:

Man jailed for abducting schoolgirl while dressed as woman - BBC News

The girl later told police how she had been unable to get a bus home and so started to walk when she was approached "by a lady in a car" who offered to give her a lift.

She said she had accepted the offer and got into the Jaguar car because she was cold and believed the "lady" to be non-threatening.

Perhaps this poor little girl (primary school age) hadn't been taught that sometimes a man might pretend to be a 'lady', and he's as dangerous as any other strange man.

When would have been the time to raise it? At the registration at the start of the camp? Half way through the camp? Afterwards?

Surely asking questions beforehand is the appropriate time to raise it?

There are numerous reasons also for that mother to being asking questions because there may well be issues around provisions of accommodations and toilet/showers. Why wouldn't it be appropriate for any parent or carer to be asking questions if they are feeling very unsure about what policies will be?

Unfortunately, even the most enlightened parents haven't been able to protect their children (particularly teenage girls) from the social contagion of this ideology.

Here's what happened in one family.

My first article- "A Mum's Voyage Through Transtopia" -Lily Maynard

This is from 2017, and things have only got worse since then.

Edited to add that the article was first published in 2016, so the events were even earlier than that.

You are by default and action defending the staff and the organisations decision to impose their belief sysyem on a child and mother and the decision to refuse the application on the same basis.

That's a feature of transactivists the world over isn't it. To deny reality, promote alienation from parents and families, deny that others (especially women and children) have rights and to prioritise the demands of sacred caste.

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it appears that ‘making a fuss’ is such a heinous crime that to avoid it you should put your child in a situation where spaces that are single sex for the preservation of privacy, safety and dignity may summarily be made mixed sex, and where moreover those In positions of power over your child may lie to them and encourage them to ignore their own instincts about the sex of those they interact with.

who knew that making a fuss was so bad?

I agree that it is not the job of another child to address the inappropriateness of labelling a gender-questioning child with the adult label 'Transgender'.

It is the job of whatever bodies oversee charities like this to make sure they avoid pushing children down the road towards what you describe as
The belief that you need to change because you don't fit some rigid expectations or have been made to believe your biological sex is toxic. Yes, they can harm others but I think every single trans person is being harmed by believing that they are the wrong sex ...

It will probably be pressure from parents which will force charities to adopt a more non-ideological and child-centred approach.

Oh wow. That's a really nasty thing to write.

You are also making a huge assumption about why parents of children who identify as trans are on the site and the sex of the children who identify as trans. Plus, a huge assumption about why they identify as trans.

I think I should be able to assume they are if my ward is designated as single sex.

But you can’t assume. That’s the point. So you can either wait until something bad happens, or check beforehand. You clearly don’t see an issue with letting something bad happen first.

Having hospitals only admit other females to my ward is something that would be achieved through voting.

Voting when? It what election? For whom? No one is looking out for your rights.

The belief that you need to change because you don't fit some rigid expectations or have been made to bekieve your biological sex is toxic

So in that instance, you would support children being told “Finn is a girl but thinks she’s a boy, but the stereotypical beliefs she has don’t make her a boy.” That means you support this mother in making sure her child isn’t told lies based on stereotypes while on camp, don’t you?

And a staff members involved left themselves open to a criminal charge of perverting the course of Justice.

In the camps situation the have to take account of noncontact child sex abuse and taking a position on allowing mixed sex activities while risk assessing designing as single sex is a safeguarding fail.

Given women such as Myra Hindley and Rose West, sadly we shouldn't tell our daughters to put themselves into a vulnerable situation with women either.

Agreed.

I'm not going to engage any further as I'm not sure that this poster is doing so in good faith.

No it would not be mean to expect everyone that they ever encounter anywhere, anytime to not have to ignore reality. A trans identifying child will have to learn at some point that humans cannot change sex and that the rest of the population also gave rights.

Stranger danger still needs to be a thing. But several PP have said we shouldn’t be teaching children to disobey adults and they must only say what the adult tells them to say.

So you are happy for me to be coerced into denying that I have a son by having to refer to him as "she"? I am not happy with that, and have come to the conclusion that it is my duty to stand up for the reality that he is male, and take the consequences. If I go along with his gender beliefs, I am supporting him in damaging his body with cross-sex hormones and potentially doing even more damage via brutal "gender affirming" surgery.

Edited to add: It certainly feels like lying, to me.

or tell them they can only come if they accept they aren't trans?

No they should be welcome at the camp but it should be explained that they would have to accept inclusion and diversity and that means accepting others do not share their faith and won’t take part in the belief system.

You seem to have a very prejudiced view about the parents who post on FWR that really doesn't seem to be an accurate characterisation. Engaging in a discussion on how some men and boys behave and how this interacts with the patriarchy as well as feminist discussion is a very tall leap of an assumption as to why a child experiences gender dysphoria.

This is post shows an ignorance about gender dysphoria. But a real skewed perception of the nature of posters on this board too.

Wow, the ignorance is astounding!!

This camp goes up to 17 years - there are many teenagers who are trans and who also have a right to be able to attend the camp without being harassed by a grown woman - if you bother to read the article it says that they suggested her son go to one of the summer camps where the adults don't attend "In the wake of the incident, Kevin Mathieson, the charity’s chief executive, also wrote to the mother, suggesting that she “consider” applying for her son to attend a five-day residential camp for the children, without their families"
So clearly the issue here is that she was aggressively against trans people and they had a trans child attending, that child has the right to be protected from nasty adults that refuse to hold their tongue.

It always blows my mind that people sit there ranting and get upset about how another human being chooses to represent themselves - even when it doesn't affect them AT ALL!. Some people seriously need to grow up.
How is any decent person thinking it would better for these people to CS than to simply change their pronouns...how damaged do you have to be to think that is ok. It's disgusting!

I honestly couldn't care less what gender someone wants to be seen as. This whole idea that a child or teen would pretend to be trans just so they can spy on people from the opposite genetic make up is so stupid. They're all kids, get over yourselves and your silliness. Let them be whatever they need to be to survive the sh**show that is life.

If you don't like it, cool, move along - you don't need to. Just keep your opinions to yourself! Simple.

You come on a feminist site, vomit your ignorance of safeguarding, then say we should 'keep our opinions to ourself' (presumably like good little women). Do you even know what section you are in, @DarkwingDuk The FEMINIST WOMENS RIGHTS site. And no, we WON'T keep our opinions to ourself. How about you leave this section if you don't like it. Cool, move along. Leave. This is our section, you came here. Don't let the door hit you on the arse. And keep your ignorant and dangerous opinions to yourself.

the charity’s chief executive, also wrote to the mother, suggesting that she “consider” applying for her son to attend a five-day residential camp for the children, without their families

Oh great! A mother spots a huge safeguarding fail so they suggest she sends her son to a camp where she can’t attend so they can hide their safeguarding failures from her?

it should also be remembered it was the charity that phoned up the mother to harass her for her beliefs, not the other way round.