Women's 'Private Spaces'

[Howseitgoin]

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts?

I remember seeing the videos of male people with transgender identities masturbating in the female single sex spaces that were on twitter when twitter allowed porn to be posted. Someone collated a small fraction of them into a thread. I will see if I can find them.

In the meantime, let's remember this. Male people who are opening discussing listening to female people urinate in the toilet. If I remember correctly, the discussion went further and mocked female toilet habits a bit more.

But hey, no harm is there. No one got physically attacked.... nothing to see here.

Found parts of that compilation from Nig Heke of male people masturbating in female single sex spaces.

A lot of this is blurred out already, but maybe this is not safe to be opened at work.

https://archive.md/83jAx

Ooh do please show the links. And can you explain how making all devices mixed sex, so allowing all and any males in will keep TW safe. Also, best to change typing hands occasionally to prevent blisters.

Just to point out, there is no an equivalent compilation of female people masturbating in female single sex spaces.

Boak.

OP - some men choose to assault women. They are more likely to attempt assault if it’s seen as easy to do it and more likely to get away with it.

Back to your Brian from accounts. Many offices have cctv in the uk. I work in a room with cctv, the corridor outside has cameras. There’s a camera covering the door to the staff loos (not in the rooms, but can see who’s gone in and when). I know the names of all the men who work in my building. HR has their home address details. If I was assaulted by a man from the accounts team in my work place, it’s likely it would be caught on camera, he would be easy to track down. It’s a different risk level than a public place as a woman as it’s a different risk level for the abusive man.

Brian from accounts is unlikely to attack Sally from sales unless he’s certain he can get away with it, not just avoiding police involvement, but keep his job.

What political expediency did Maggie thatcher gain by passing the workplace health and safety act in 1992?

And yet you claim to do so yourself, hypocritical much

I am looking forward to seeing this answered.

I believe that this is the requested evidence

... than in female prisons and "bathrooms"? The same applies to gay men and to effeminate men and other non-conforming men. Are you suggesting that women admit all of those men into the Ladies and into women's prisons too?

"Is your claim that transwomen aren’t more dangerous than females or than males by the way?"

Yes.

The OP is definitely right that women don’t yet have global access to safe toilets.

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27635363.amp

Thank you!
@Howseitgoin This is data from an authoritative source. I have to say, based on the test you proposed (is the group an elevated risk or not), it tends to weaken rather than strengthen your argument.

I'd be tempted to say 'demolish' your argument but I want to keep this cordial. So instead, let me just ask if this data tends to increase or decrease your confidence in your original claim?

If your contention is that bias is what leads transwomen to show up in offending data so much more than females, despite presenting the same risk: do you think that's a credible explanation for a 638-fold difference? (Females vs TW).

Do you sense a hidden epidemic of sexually-offending females in the UK (female sexual offending at 5x the rate of males generally, which is what would be needed to reach the TW rate) that simply hasn't been noticed? How likely does that feel to you?

From what I understand @Howseitgoin would like all spaces to be mixed sex, even though this will severely discombobulate his trans brethren. Is it me or is anyone else getting a whiff of lynx Africa and socks?

"The same applies to gay men and to effeminate men and other non-conforming men. Are you suggesting that women admit all of those men into the Ladies and into women's prisons too?"

Evidence that they are abused at the SAME rate as transwomen?

"... than in female prisons and "bathrooms"? The same applies to gay men and to effeminate men and other non-conforming men. Are you suggesting that women admit all of those men into the Ladies and into women's prisons too?"

That seems to be the argument.

It is certainly not new. We have been seeing this poorly formed argument for years and years.

Every time someone uses this argument, it is clear that they simply choose to ignore all the other male groups who are similarly vulnerable to attack. They also show just how little they understand discrimination. Because by providing this specific group with special privileges of access to female single sex spaces, organisations are actively discriminating against all other male people. Including those very vulnerable to attack.

It also fails because if male people are being actively attacked by other male people to this degree, allowing that group of male people into the female single sex spaces means there is a greater risk of those attacking to come seeking that group to attack.

And this is where the great disconnect lies. Because the very same people argue that any male person can simply enter a female single sex space and attack. Well... no shit Sherlock! So why are these male people, who are being heavily targeted to be attacked safer in a female single sex space?

And if these statistics are true for the UK and Australia, where the fuck are the very public campaigns to reduce this male on male voilence?

There is so little logic that supports these claims.

I suspect that is why @Howseitgoin answers in sound bites and never actually engages.

"This is data from an authoritative source."
Not really.
Link

So clearly there is a number at which you are happy for individuals of any group to be harmed before they are given ‘protection’ because you clearly think transwomen have breached that number, so can we please have the number? Is it 1% 10% 50%?

Don’t wanna be an American Idiot

You can keep posting it.

It doesn't improve each time you post it.

It is full of flaws. Perhaps you lack the ability to see those flaws. I mean, you seem to rely on others articles to defend your weak arguments. You don't seem to be very confident of your own arguments at all.

Well you haven’t provided us with any evidence TW are getting attacked in male facilities so how can we compare. Do keep up mate.

You have provided precisely zero evidence that they are abused at all.

So, @Howseitgoin Would you like to give your number ?

How many additional women and girls being attacked or harmed in anyway in female single sex spaces are acceptable to you before we can expect to exclude ALL male people above the age of 8 years old?

"Many offices have cctv in the uk."

Are you suggesting the loo cubicles have CCTV now?😂