Women's 'Private Spaces'

[Howseitgoin]

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts?

Absolutely.

It reminds me of a twitter account who ran the numbers to prove that black male who ID as trans were the safest demographic of black males in any age group when looking as US murder rates. And after looking at the individual murders that DV partners and poverty plus drugs and other dangerous life style choices were the key risk factors.

Even with the risk factors (Mr middle class or Mr professional were much less at risk anyway) these group of men were not being killed disproportionately when benchmarked against the population as a whole.

That is not to in any way dismiss the fact that these men had been killed nor dismiss each death as " not a relevent statistical number "

Is anyone, anywhere, even remotely convinced by the OPs posts? I mean, I'm not even quite sure what the point or purpose of them is, other than chiding women, but if anyone has read any of them and thought, well, that's something worth thinking about, then do shout out and we can look at it more thoroughly.

Otherwise, I'm calling gish gallop and wandering off.

BB, considering that I know of many Australians who will use the words dunny, and bog, I cannot really imagine anyone who is living a full and rich life in Australia considering the word 'toilet' to be vulgar.

I suspect that there is some other cultural element or sub-cultural element at play here.

It is also really embarrassing to see someone post shit about 'tyranny' to explain why majority opinion is harmful and then see that same poster in the same post mention constitutional rights.

True though, they did not say 'Australian' constitutional rights. But the Australian constitutional referendums rely on a super majority of over 65%... so... there is something really quite disconnected in these posts.

One would think that that would come with rules but the punishment for refusing to provide companionship "correctly" by pretending the man is not a man resulted in longer time being served.

I am calling bollocks myself.

Aye bollocks. We know bollocks when we see bollocks.

yep.... bollocks.

TBH we don't even need to see the bollocks to know that they are there.

And despite the OPs attempts to chastise us into thinking differently I still don't want a person with bollocks, or who once had bollocks, in women's single sex spaces.

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I mean, the posts really are as dry of relevant facts as a dead dingo's donger.

Since we are talking bollocks and stuff, I thought I would at least work harder to keep it real.

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I think you are all being very mean, how could you get the lid off a pickle jar or empty the bins without a big strong man to do the dirty work for you?

Wait isn't that an MRA argument?

@Howseitgoin the only ‘advantage’ gender neutral/ mixed sex toilets have got going for them at work is increased visual and audible privacy. Forget the ‘lockable’ that is irrelevant.

This is not the same as safety. Total privacy also reduces hygiene aspects due to reduced ventilation and ability to clean means you are more likely to inhale and ingest pathogens.

In terms of total risk you are much more likely to die a preventable death anywhere if you are on your own. When you are ill you go to the toilet. You are more likely to be really ill on the toilet than anywhere else at work. You are also more likely to be seriously ill while straining as it puts pressure on the heart, especially when people hold their breath. 11% of people having cardiac arrests have them on the loo. There are millions of people with heart conditions - the figure is growing and many don’t even realise. There is a case for reasonable adjustments for toilet design not being private for people with invisible disabilities like diabetes or epilepsy. Keeping people safe.

Paramedics will say the area they find people is where there’s a toilet (at home and at work). The biggest call out that London fire brigade has is for collapsed people behind locked doors.

The best way to increase safety and health in a public or work toilet is for you not to be in private but semi private.

The door needs to be able to be unlocked quickly from the outside and have the ability to be pulled outwards because bodies prevent access otherwise. But crucially you need to know asap that the person has collapsed. Every minute reduces the chance of someone surviving.

The reason single sex toilets designs are safer, as pp have said, it that the area in front of the toilets is single sex too. If it isn’t the toilet design is private because of voyeurism and discomfort.

I have done a lot of research on school toilets. The current designs are based on privacy. There’s reports of more sex in toilets, more dirt, more vandalism. There have been deaths too.

Workplace sex happens in toilets that are private (even at the BBC according to Rod Liddell). It can be sex without consent too.

Have a look at this picture. The left is a single sex design. It can only be a single sex design in the UK. If there’s any ambiguity they are private.

The most vulnerable people at work are the ones that benefit most from toilets being single sex designs. That’s anyone collapsed (or being assaulted) that needs help.

In which toilet design would you rather be at your most vulnerable? If you choose left that means in the U.K. and it’s a single sex toilet with a single sex area in front.

Maybe I should have said the arguments are about as useful as a glass door on a dunny or a screen door on a submarine.

I think Allsop has a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock if he thought his article was carefully and accurately argued.

For the love of god, why do you keep sending your worst, TRA HQ?

I am not going with the flow seeing all the loo jokes! I will have to read whilst not at work.
There’s some stories I could tell you about toilets which are funny and gross. Carrots anyone?

let them speak doing its usual sterling work

The evidence isn't from the UK.

I'm afraid to break it to you, but some men have a disturbing fetish around female bodily functions and while you think you're just sitting in a cubicle using the loo in privacy, they are sitting in the next one listening and masterbating to the sounds, or planting cameras to watch you pulling your pants down/changing tampons etc later.

I'm glad you haven't come across this (as far as you are aware), but it's another reason why most women just feel more comfortable knowing men are not in the vicinity when we're in a state of undress.

What gave you the impression that this is their worst, it’s more like their A team!

Oh yea the old ‘women are going to get raped anyway so what’s the point? ‘ argument. Well done.

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