Women's 'Private Spaces'

[Howseitgoin]

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts?

"Hence requiring a risk assessment."

And given risk assessment for the purposes of housing is a standard procedure for all prisoners that's not the own you think it is.

"I mean, you didn't even have to Google it. I have told you the details of the case repeatedly on this thread."

Why would I? Using an isolated instances is not how you do stats.

You again missed the point.

The judge accepted that the statistics indicated an increased risk. You posted that article as a counter to my saying that courts will accept the statistics as being accurate.

This is him accepting the statistics.

“I can accept, at any rate for present purposes, that the unconditional introduction of a transgender woman into the general population of a women’s prison carries a statistically greater risk of sexual assault upon non-transgender prisoners than would be the case if a non-transgender woman were introduced. But that statistical conclusion takes no account of the risk assessment which the policies require.”

Female people being imprisoned with male people is no fucking point scoring exercise though.

"You seem to have missed my post on about the stats you are relying on from the William's Institute. Can I recommend that you go back and read that post. It puts your posts about statistical significance into a whole other perspective."

Can you link it & expand on your point. I must of missed it. 'Big business' means attention to detail goes out the window…

No, you were asked why you referred to KD as ‘he’, then claimed you didn’t know he was a TiM despite the fact that information was clearly presented to you in the thread. So, why did you?

"How the fuck is anyone supposed to know whether he genuinely believes he identifies as a woman or not?
The fact that he molests children would suggest that he doesn't."

Um, you realise there's such a thing as female pedos right? Oh wait…

So, @Howseitgoin Would you like to give your number ?

How many additional women and girls being attacked or harmed in anyway in female single sex spaces are acceptable to you before we can expect to exclude ALL male people above the age of 8 years old?

What are behaviour associations to women?

Would you become a penguin if you had ‘behaviour associations to penguins’?

To be fair, penguins can’t say they are penguins. However we don’t need them to. They may have no behavioural associations with penguins, having been brought up by Geese, but they will still be penguins.

I’m interested in the idea that you think swathes of women are reading your words and realising that men can indeed be women. I find it unlikely, personally.

Wasn't it reported that the risk assessments that the Scottish prison service carried out were looking at the risk for the trans prisoners not the other inmates? Does anyone remember?

"How do we live as women? Tell us "staunch feminist"!"

You tell me given that you in practice categorise women on stereotypical/archetypical associations to women unless of course you have xray vision…

No. I think you should do further research on the very numbers you have been relying on over two threads.

If you are relying on it, you should have confidence in your evidence. I posted a long post about those statistics, yet you keep dismissing other people's evidence as being unreliable. I don't even think that you read more than top lines or read the information that suits your obvious biased view. Perhaps it is time that you did your own work, rather than relying on others like Allsop.

"So, you don't know the details of the case, yet you have confidently posted about that case.
oops... shit creek indeed...."

No I ignored the case. As I have said multiple times its irrelevant .

Your dogged obsession with this individual that seems to colour the lens with which you rationalise is…. creepy….

‘Attention to detail goes out the window’

No need to clarify @Howseitgoin this has been evident since post 1

No, I don't, I categorize women on which type of gamete their body developed to make (with the usual caveat to DSDs) everything else doesn't matter. You keep banging on about feminine temperament and shopping and stuff.

You again missed the point.
The judge accepted that the statistics indicated an increased risk. You posted that article as a counter to my saying that courts will accept the statistics as being accurate.
This is him accepting the statistics.
“I can accept, at any rate for present purposes, that the unconditional introduction of a transgender woman into the general population of a women’s prison carries a statistically greater risk of sexual assault upon non-transgender prisoners than would be the case if a non-transgender woman were introduced. But that statistical conclusion takes no account of the risk assessment which the policies require.”
Female people being imprisoned with male people is no fucking point scoring exercise though.

Wrong. He accepted the statistic that an unconditional introduction was an increased risk big difference. That by the way applies generally.

Lol.
An emotionally incontinent poster with zero knowledge of UK law, a parcel of snark and a stream of dodgy articles as "evidence". Plus being in the grip of the conspiracy theory that men magically become women if they (checks notes) "exhibit interests/ inclinations /temperament more common in females". Have "A more feminine temperament". Like pink, spinny skirts and lipstick and partake in "womanly interests and pursuits" 😂😂😂😂

I suppose the repeated snark is understandable when this is the level of argument they use to justify why women and girls must undress in front of random men demanding that we do.

As ever - thanks to all the posters who find the time to counter this drivel with facts, accuracy about the law and even humour in the face of such ignorance and contempt for women and safeguarding

The only way to be a woman is to be born female.

No x-ray vision needed. Female people are highly likely to be able to correctly identify the sex of a male person.

Here is a study done on faces

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004269892200133X

Our results indicate that facial structures with full information on the texture and color of the skin are correctly classified as to their sex by most of the participants (98.4 % for Exp. 1 and 94.6 % for Exp. 2). If we do not consider versions 3 and 5 (close to the androgyne version 4), which contain a certain degree of sex ambiguity and only consider the less ambiguous versions (1 and 2 for male faces, and 6 and 7 for female faces), the accuracy approaches the ceiling (99.9 % for Exp.1, and 99.1 % for Exp.2). This is in line with previous research which observed that natural faces, devoid of any cultural signs of sex, are generally correctly categorized into their sex

I would think that results over 90% indicate a correct assumption that most of the population can accurately identify the sex of humans from faces. However, note the difference between people correctly identifying male versions of faces vs female.

The study mentions other papers as well.

For anyone interested, Amy E Sousa has done some videos on the recognition of sex category in humans.

https://www.theknownheretic.com/p/instinct-sos-sex-recognition

Amy Sousa is a Depth Psychology specialist. Meaning she has studied and she teaches about human instinctive behaviour.

I recommend any person who doesn’t believe that humans are likely to correctly identify the sex of other humans particularly female people recognising male people, might like to watch this.

And Q-angles - Just one of the many key differences between male and female body cues.

If you believe in fair competition, Emily Bridges should not be racing Laura Kenny

Owen Slot, The Times, 29th March 2022

https://archive.is/u4oSa
^www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3081c8c0-af7c-11ec-8b8c-0207c0fd6104?shareToken=dfc4c5b36b407a8e0ccc2133e718b121^

"Biomechanically, though, she still retains distinct advantages. The athletes she will be competing against have naturally wider hips. For the purposes of powering a bicycle, the crucial element here is that they will have a wider angle between the hips and the knees — this means their quads do not work so efficiently in transferring power."

Crucially, it is these angles that are quite important in understanding who is a male person and who is a female person when looking at gait, stance and other movement. All without judging a person's body based on whether they are 'woman' enough.

No x-ray required.

No. Sorry. You cannot parse your way out of this one.

No, you were asked why you referred to KD as ‘he’, then claimed you didn’t know he was a TiM despite the fact that information was clearly presented to you in the thread. So, why did you?

Listen here bro, do you have any idea what its like to be laser focused on 500 odd comments much of which is irrelevant meandering nonsense? That I misspoke on an inane issue is all you have tells me you don't got nothin' else of substance.

Get over it.

oooh.... and swivel.

Did everyone note that pivot?

DARVO in action

Some men believe they're Jesus Christ. Some men think they have an other-species soul, like a fox or a dragon. Some men have convinced themselves they are women or girls.

All of these are false beliefs.

Bro...

You started this thread. If you were not prepared to give a MN FWR thread the attention it needed, that is an issue to consider before continuing.

That you misgendered a transwoman does indeed a great deal when you then consider the rest of your posts. Your attempt to dismiss your over confidence and the fuckwittery you have posted on this thread is not going to work.

Rare as hen's teeth.

If child molesting is a gendered behaviour, it is a male coded one for sure.

What are behaviour associations to women?

Already done that. Read the thread.

Would you become a penguin if you had ‘behaviour associations to penguins’?

Would I become a penguin if I acted like one? I guess you could say I had the personality of a penguin.

I think that the whole conflict with this issue is how its framed. If the slogan was 'trans women were more like women than men behaviourally' instead on 'trans women are women' would it be so upsetting?

Seems very unnecessarily nit picky to me…