Why are so many GC women pro-Israel?

[Krakinou]

This is a feminist forum. It’s in the name. I’m a feminist, therefore logically atheist and frankly anti-religion. Certainly against any kind of religious nationalism (Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc.)

But surely feminism is about liberation for all women, not just the ones we agree with? The destruction of patriarchal structures, not of women and children who are conditioned by them?

I constantly see snarky comments in GC articles about Gaza and dehumanizing comments about Palestinians and Muslims generally on this board. And minimizing of the suffering of the tens of thousands of people being murdered in an internationally recognized genocide. I don’t get it. It seems out of sync with the general mumsnet feeling too - I get the impression most people on mumsnet are pretty horrified by Israel’s actions.

Does anyone else get the same impression? If so, what is the connection between being Gender Critical and being anti-Palestine? Is it just that the leftist terfs aren’t so represented here?

I’m in a feminist group in Spain and it doesn’t have the same issue at all.

Terfs have the critical thinking skills to see past the jew-hate noise and come to our own conclusions.

Unfortunately there's too many NPCs outside of FWR.

Sure Jan.

The thing is, politics is not primarily about " feelings". It is about how you manage the often competing demands of different groups.

This is the main issue with the whole construct that is Gender Ideology too. Activists think that 'feelings' and emotions trump everything. This is maybe why so many people who do not have a natural political instinct get drawn into tribal politics. It is the feelings they are looking for...the feel good feelings and morally virtuous ones, especially.

Who needs to bother with nuance, balance, facts or history when you've got imagined moral virtue and outrage on your side?

I'm struggling to find any thread on the FWR board other than this one that even mentions any of this other than this one. Seriously. There must be threads I'm missing somehow.

I just keep seeing discussion about women wanting equality of accessibility and to keep the legal right to undress privately from men/not be locked up with or strip searched by them. That's all I'm interested in when I read on this particular board, and I don't read or post on any of the politics ones.

Just don't. Forced teaming is repellent, whatever your politics.

Thank you. Precisely.

No forced teaming, just intelligent women with critical thinking skills tend to come to the same conclusion on gender ideology and Israel.

I think there are some pretty varied views on Israel here. Most also think it's a complicated situation, but that is not the same as "the same".

Maybe, I was more commenting across wider GC circles as per the OP - the support for Israel on X by gender critical women is almost unanimous for example.

100%

I'd describe as a wide range of disparate views. Not one or the other. If there's one characteristic of being 'gender critical' it's resisting simplistic, black and white thinking. In my experience. Fucking thrawn may be another way of putting it.

Absolutely this.

There have been no surveys I've seen, no attempt to actually find out what women who want to retain their legal sex based rights think on other matters. I have seen a lot of agenda based forced teaming. Please don't.

I'm simply relaying what I've seen on X in agreement with the question posited in the title of this thread. The only major gender critical voice I have seen who isn't vehemently pro-Israel is Dr. Jane Clare Jones, and she has very little support for her stance.

Why would you assume that the 'major gender critical voices' you hear personally speak for all women wanting sex based rights and are representative of their views? It's not a political party, or an organisation, there's not a membership.

I'm not assuming anything. As I said above, I'm simply relaying what is easily observable amongst gender critical voices on X.

You are assuming.

You have no idea what I think or believe or perceive. I am not sure the motives of this are anything different to posters force teaming to try and making women wanting sex based rights into a public enemy.

Are you not actually commenting on the people you yourself follow and who the algorithm is sending you to?

Do you not understand how all this works?

It’s patently obvious that you are a bloke. Your choice of words for your lies are interesting too as that other FWR irritant Tandoori also claims to have “birthed” two children.

I can only comment on the gender critical women I follow since I started my account in 2018. I feel like over that time I've managed to follow the majority of the voices in this field. As I mentioned earlier, JCJ (who I have a lot of respect for) is the only one who is pro-Palestine.

Perhaps some other X users can add others which I have overlooked?

Afaik there is no genocide in Gaza. Genocide has a high bar: the intentional erasure of a group because of cultural, religious or ethnic differences from another group. The slaughter of Armenians by Turkey around WWI is genocide, as is the Rwandan genocide, the holocaust which targeted Jews and Roma as ethnic minorities (and also slew those with the wrong political opinions along with people considered 'substandard' in other ways than being Communists, Jews or Roma, i.e. being physically or mentally disabled). What is going on in Sudan appears to be genocide, as does the killing of Christians in Nigeria. I am not sure about Yemen - though the Houthis are of the same ilk as Hamas and Hezbollah (and apparently are also backed by Iran). The attacks on Druze in Syria may make the critieria, I am not sure. The acts of Oct 7th 2023 do meet the genocide criteria both in the use of rape (this tactic was used by what was W.Pakistan against what was then E. Pakistan in the 1971 war there), and killing of everyone who met the criteria of Jew or Jewish fellow-traveller e.g. Thai workers etc.
Gaza does not meet these criteria (and the ICC did not say it did, either) but appears to be normal warfare with the addition of telling people in targeted areas that there will be a strike/incursion and to move to a designated safe (or safer) area - this is an unusual war tactic, e.g. Germany did not use it towards the British during the Blitz, they arrived, killed and left. There is also the provision of aid by the enemy, augmenting aid from the UN. Neither of these tactics suggest genocidal intention, rather they suggest that removal of military threat is the intention.

War crimes are being committed, however, by Hamas in hiding among the civilian population and in buildings such as schools and hospitals (which are supposed to be inviolate during war) using child soldiers, not being in uniform etc. Local feminist organisations are also reporting that women are faced with 'difficult choices' when getting food aid, by which they mean that Palestinian aid workers are demanding sex in exchange for food - a practice common in all seiges and known as rape. Source for this is The Women's Affairs Centre, though their director, Amal Syam, is not calling it rape but 'Israel's siege...(is) what's forcing women to resort to this' i.e. having to let Palestinian aid workers rape them and blaming the women for being raped.

The UN disagrees with you, but I’m sure you know better what with all your qualifications and experience as….?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

So in fact yes, this is another time wasting thread trying to harass and slur women who want sex based rights that men find inconvenient. And does nothing whatever for women's legal rights and protections.

Hide button here we come.

You must not be aware of the UN’s bias against Israel. Here’s a quick illustration of the issue. Between 2013 and 2023 the UNGA adopted resolutions on Israel (i.e. condemned Israel) 154 times. In the same time period the rest of the world combined was condemned 71 times. Do we really think that such a tiny country is more than twice as badly behaved as Iran, Russia, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, Syria and Afghanistan put together? It’s ridiculous. The UN’s animosity towards Israel is so blatant it’s become a joke.

The UN does not have clean hands since they have had to sack UNWRA employees who took part in the atrocity of Oct 7th, which means they have employed members of Hamas or their fellow-travellers. When is the UN declaring the disaster in Sudan genocide or the Christian-killing in Nigeria? If they are not genocide, why is that - both events are based on ethnic/religious differences/cleansing.
I have been watching the news from Gaza a lot and the same pictures of the same places destroyed seem appear all the time. No-one looks as if they are starving - which is not the case with news from the Yemen, where it is bloody obvious starvation is ongoing among women and children.
@Squidgoals has pointed out the undeniable bias of the UN against Israel. Funny how such a small country manages to be something like 3x as wicked as the rest of the world.