Why are so many GC women pro-Israel?

[Krakinou]

This is a feminist forum. It’s in the name. I’m a feminist, therefore logically atheist and frankly anti-religion. Certainly against any kind of religious nationalism (Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc.)

But surely feminism is about liberation for all women, not just the ones we agree with? The destruction of patriarchal structures, not of women and children who are conditioned by them?

I constantly see snarky comments in GC articles about Gaza and dehumanizing comments about Palestinians and Muslims generally on this board. And minimizing of the suffering of the tens of thousands of people being murdered in an internationally recognized genocide. I don’t get it. It seems out of sync with the general mumsnet feeling too - I get the impression most people on mumsnet are pretty horrified by Israel’s actions.

Does anyone else get the same impression? If so, what is the connection between being Gender Critical and being anti-Palestine? Is it just that the leftist terfs aren’t so represented here?

I’m in a feminist group in Spain and it doesn’t have the same issue at all.

Discredited by various people who lay the blame for ME (and their own) antisemitism at Israeli feet.
I am superficially aware of 'the great game' and also somewhat aware of Russia's historic efforts to exert ideological influence in 'the west' via unions and universities. It is not my area of 'expertise'.

I'm GC and I'm neither pro Israel nor pro Palestine.

Netanyahu is a war-monger and Hamas is a death cult.

You are completely ridiculous OP

The truth is that the IRA were comprehensively defeated by the British security services and their own people fed up with them, which is when they sat down for serious peace talks. Wars end when one side gives up. Towards the end, the IRA had more informers than activists. The same is going on in Gaza. Only comfortably off middle class students on Western campuses and in academia want this. They are like ghouls.

I recommend Son of Hamas, obtainable on Amazon, for serious background information on this conflict and the mentality involved. I would like to add, I think Netanyahus actions are barbaric and do not reflect what the general population in Israel want: an end to the war and release of the remaining hostages. I have friends in Israel and that is what they've told me.

fanghouls.

I have confused the Palestine Solidarity Campaign with Palestine Action, here. Entirely my mistake and poor memory.

I really have no clue what you are talking about here, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I said.

I think she's implying that the Palestinians probably mostly don't feel guilt. I'm sure Hamas doesn't.

But I feel very uncomfortable about implications that non-Westerners in general feel extremely differently. Yes, culture creates huge differences

It almost feels like implying that 1. The war can never be concluded because the Arab world will never want peace

1. These people are so different from us that we should be less concerned for them.

Yes, ofc we should have no sympathy AT ALL for Hamas. But people in Gaza being v different, having hateful opinions, true for many...they should still be treated with basic human dignity. I don't know enough to know if Israel's approach right now is the only possible one, maybe...

I refute the extrapolated implication that 'the Arab world' does not want peace or 'these people' are so different we should not be concerned. That is a subjective interpretation.

Religions are man-made. They reflect and shape the societies they are in. So it really doesn’t matter if there is a female or sexless god running the universe after all. What matters is how religions are practiced.

I read that in societies where gods are female, childcare is often evenly shared; less so when gods are mixed sex; and even less where gods are thought of as male. So yeah, I guess you could have a feminist society with a goddess worshiping religion.

To the women in here trying to kid themselves that Christianity falls into that category though… just why? Just accept that you’ve chosen a patriarchal religion for whatever reason and move on. I don’t know much about Hinduism but it doesn’t seem to be working out great for Indian women.

To the women in here trying to kid themselves that Christianity falls into that category though… just why? Just accept that you’ve chosen a patriarchal religion for whatever reason and move on.

OP 🙁, I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any God, based on science and logical reasoning.

As I tried to explain, although male pronouns are often used the Christian "God" is not male or female...

Why not appreciate that it's more complex than you realised and you can be a religious feminist?

They reflect and shape the societies they are in. ...What matters is how religions are practiced.

So, one could argue that Christianity is exactly as "patriarchal' as the society that surrounds it. Why pick on Christians?

Why not appreciate that it's more complex than you realised and you can be a religious feminist?

This is why I don't call myself a feminist; so I can't be regularly accused of doing it wrong for one reason or another😁

"Why are so many GC women pro-Israel?"

Perhaps it is due to our ability to think things through and make up our own minds, without being influenced by the latest omnicause? We've already been traduced for wanting to protect our own sex based rights and the healthy bodies of autistic and homosexual children, so when we see the bodies of raped young women thrown into the back of pickup trucks and driven through howling joyous mobs celebrating their horrible fate we find it easy to pick a side?
Perhaps it is because a lot of us are lesbians, so we respect Israel as the only democratic country in the region that protects the rights of homosexuals?
Perhaps it is because we are female and feel outrage and horror that babies were strangled and burnt alive by mobs of feral armed men who invaded their homes?
I dunno, perhaps we just don't fit in with the baying mobs of Jew haters that have been allowed to spoil London for normal people?

We can see through BS

To the women in here trying to kid themselves that Christianity falls into that category though… just why? Just accept that you’ve chosen a patriarchal religion for whatever reason and move on.

How about you accept that other women have views of religion different from yours? Stop telling other women what to think and how to do feminism “correctly”.

Or that Christianity has evolved in a way Islam hasnt and wont.

I don't agree. Most of the most TERFy women I know in real life are quite sympathetic to Palestinians right now. They know that Palestinian children aren't Hamas and are generally anti-war. People like things to be very black and white but they're not.

😂best response to a question I've had on here I think!

"Team view"????? What team? There is no team, no organization, no GC council, no secret GC cells!!! FFS! People from all over the political spectrum are gender critical because most people have common sense!!!

There is no correlation and you should stop listening to the crap the trans activists spew!

The total lack of sympathy for the young people who were kidnapped and raped was horrible. Even the BBC were reluctant to call it what it was. Sexual violence is reprehensible.

Gender Criticals being more likely to be authoritarian minded may be related.
www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09589236.2024.2431569#abstract

Mary is extremely important to a lot of Catholics. Secretly more than Jesus sometimes. She is also recognised by Muslims.

Catholicism is patriarchal but puts women on a pedestal in many ways.

babies were strangled and burnt alive by mobs of feral armed men who invaded their homes?

Sorry, this is not supposed to be another Conflict in the Middle East Thread but that burnt babies story was debunked long ago.