Why are so many GC women pro-Israel?

[Krakinou]

This is a feminist forum. It’s in the name. I’m a feminist, therefore logically atheist and frankly anti-religion. Certainly against any kind of religious nationalism (Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc.)

But surely feminism is about liberation for all women, not just the ones we agree with? The destruction of patriarchal structures, not of women and children who are conditioned by them?

I constantly see snarky comments in GC articles about Gaza and dehumanizing comments about Palestinians and Muslims generally on this board. And minimizing of the suffering of the tens of thousands of people being murdered in an internationally recognized genocide. I don’t get it. It seems out of sync with the general mumsnet feeling too - I get the impression most people on mumsnet are pretty horrified by Israel’s actions.

Does anyone else get the same impression? If so, what is the connection between being Gender Critical and being anti-Palestine? Is it just that the leftist terfs aren’t so represented here?

I’m in a feminist group in Spain and it doesn’t have the same issue at all.

Hence the term Mariolatry...

I'm a mild kind of Catholic myself, and I do like the focus on Mary

On my Facebook this past 2 years I have been accused of being an antisemite and on the side of nazis for sharing a video of a woman who makes amputee dolls for Palestinian child amputees

I have been accused of being an antisemite for saying I think Benjamin Netanyahu doesn't just want peace but I think he has a Messiah complex and quoting things he's literally said himself about a "historic and spiritual mission" and that he is "very attached" to the vision of Greater Israel.

And I have been accused of being a genocide sympathiser for defending Israeli friends who have been canceled and socially ostracised for the crime of being Israeli

And I have been called Islamophobic for saying I don't want Islam to take over

Now I don't have a Facebook

We can't seem to disagree without fighting or cancelling people everything turns into an attack 😕

Well, if it's any comfort, I think you sound a very reasonable, fair-minded and decent person!

🤍

I would consider left-wing to mean anti-colonialism, and a solution of one non-religious state.

Experience tells Jewish people that relying for their safety on the goodwill of people of a different faith who form a majority in the same country tends to end badly for Jewish people. Examples include 15th and 16th century Spain, and early 20th century Germany.

Wanting a country of their own in which they are the majority and hold the power is about self-preservation.

Parrot? It's been internationally recognised as Genocide.

The UN is not to be taken seriously, unfortunately. It has had its day.

Jewish immigration to the US in particular has been ridiculously successful, and Jews there are incomparably safer there than they'll ever be in Israel, however many hundreds of thousands of Arabs are slaughtered in the name of the colonial project.

Arabs spend a good deal of time killing and slaughtering each other too. Arab society is diverse and very much clan based and doesn't fit neatly into the Western ideological concepts which are imposed upon it.

There are Arab jews, as well, by the way. Certainly from what have come to be understood Arabic countries, anyway. The whole history of the Middle East is predicated on the establishment of one kingdom or empire after another.

Estimates of the total number of deaths in the Syrian civil War by various war monitors, range between 580,000 as of May 2021, and approximately 656,493 as of March 2025

Yes, the Middle East is a phenomenally dangerous place by Western standards, Jews can never be nearly as safe there as they would be in Western Europe or the US. But they're still very safe by Middle Eastern standards. Much (much much) safer than Palestinians.

Oh this is a new take. So are you saying GC women are racist or Islamophobic? Why?

How do Palestinian men treat Palestinian women, not to mention how they treated Jewish women on October 7th.

In Israel women have full human rights.

I know which situation is better for women.

Because 'transphobic' doesn't work any more?

True. I suppose they’re getting a bit desperate now.

People in the West Bank and in Gaza have long been more threatend with violence by their own leaders and authorities and the mafia like clans that enforce their rules. Hamas was elected in Gaza in 2006, almost 20 years ago, and maintains order and discipline through summary executions and through punishment beatings; and by the application of the most severe forms of sharia law.

"Hamas has used strict and authoritarian methods of control, applying its own interpretations of strict sharia law, enforcing gender segregation in public, controlling the media, repressing any political opposition and eliminating all mechanisms of transparency and accountability.

Numerous reports have detailed human rights abuses conducted by Hamas against Palestinian civilians, including arbitrary detention, torture, punishment beatings and the death penalty. A report in 2018 from 'Human Rights Watch' found that similar human rights abuse was just as common in the West Bank under the Fatah-led PA. Hamas also is also accused of harassing journalists who criticise its government".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/27/hamas-executed-palestinians-under-cover-gaza-conflict-amnesty

'Damning report by rights group claims Hamas also carried out other horrific abuses in 2014 as it ‘ruthlessly settled scores’ with opponents"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Gaza_Strip

Absolutely, being a a Zionist is the default GC & feminist position.

Perhaps this will help an understanding of why feminists will not support or enable Hamas.

A must-watch documentary. #ScreamsBeforeSilence sheds light on the unspeakable sexual violence committed on October 7. As heartbreaking as these stories in the documentary are, we cannot afford to look away.

I’m GC, Not pro Israeli govt or pro Hamas. I am filled with misery about all the suffering of women and children caused that up in this, once again by shitty men. There is no ranking in my empathy for women in such dire straits, I imagine this goes for most of us, why is it important to you for us pick a side? If you do need us to rank suffering women, rather than just join you in siding with Palestine, I think you have forgotten to include an awful lot of other groups of women with unbelievably heartbreaking lives that should be included, such as Afghan women,

Rather women who have been subject to the abuses of 'progressivism' with the accusations of nazism, phobia etc - are more inclined to perceive subsequent issues through a more balanced lens.than through the continual demonisation of Israel.

All those who chanted 'fascist' at women meeting to speak, are now screaming 'fascist' at jews and anyone who supports Israel's right to exist. They got bored with gluing themselves to the road for climate change. Gaza is the next big mania and anti Israel hatred its language.

Sorry, you lost me at “ I’m a feminist, therefore logically atheist and frankly anti-religion.”

What

There is no logic in that statement. You can’t bring all your own belief systems together and automatically think everyone thinks the same as you. There are many things in religion that are for women. Particularly, marriage is meant as a protection for women and their children.

Agreed. I saw a leaflet the other day calling for people to come together for 'action'. The groups listed were

LGBTQIA+
Palestine
Climate activism
Trade Unions
Globalisation
BLM

It's like a pic and mix all thrown in together and you must whole heartedly agree with them on all points or you're a bigot.

Well quite, it's the complete woke bingo card - if you buy into one then you'll buy into all.

Yeah, it's the omnicause. I learned that on this site.

I'm told that in the US people display signs in their yards declaring all the list of requisite beliefs.

People who don't display signs can get side-eye.