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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate

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Tootsweets23 · 12/08/2025 08:33

The world has probably had enough of sturgeon to last a lifetime but today’s ‘revelation’ from her shite book is just infuriating.

A long catalogue of poor me, I’m pure of spirit, any criticism is toxic, everyone else is malevolent.

Despite calling people who don’t agree with her idiotic bill racists, homophobes and misogynists, here she says JK’s teeshirt didn’t elevate the debate or illuminate the issues.

And then goes on to say that this issue wasn’t really that important to mainstream voters but we are all guilty of hysteria.

And she wishes she had the courage to call a rapist female.

For someone allegedly politically astute this book is a very stupid strategy. Slow hand clap.

Nicola Sturgeon accuses JK Rowling of creating ‘toxic’ trans debate

https://www.thetimes.com/article/29160158-03f7-4afc-bce6-38a425c72df0?shareToken=3cf893fc3e26d2e2b4ced9467395d1d5

Nicola Sturgeon accuses JK Rowling of creating ‘toxic’ trans debate

Former first minister says author stoked ‘vile’ attacks that left her fearing for her physical safety

https://www.thetimes.com/article/29160158-03f7-4afc-bce6-38a425c72df0?shareToken=3cf893fc3e26d2e2b4ced9467395d1d5

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SirBasil · 12/08/2025 14:06

Sskka · 12/08/2025 11:17

@RoyalCorgi “Sturgeon also calls on her opponents to admit they are “standing alongside” figures such as Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán on the trans debate”

It like a throwback to another age, this rhetoric. I mean yes, you can say to people “Trump thinks what you think” – but you really ought to consider that they might draw an entirely different conclusion from the one you’re intending.

Nigel Farage, if what i have been reading recently is accurate, thinks TWAW.

Sturgeon stands alongside Reform

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 14:07

Hoardasurass · 12/08/2025 13:56

Not quite the point of.this thread but I think that this article shows how people outside of Scotland feel about Nicola Stergeon 🫢

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/call-petition-stop-nicola-sturgeon-35716202?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Is Scotland trying to fill the space East Germany left ?

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 14:08

Hoardasurass · 12/08/2025 14:03

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-suggests-jk-rowling-35715024?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
The woman is delusional and keeps calling womens rights campaigners as anti-trans rights activists ffs

It's not JKRs job to debate - on anything.

It was NS job to represent all of Scotland.

.... is how I would open the "debate".

SirBasil · 12/08/2025 14:08

Timeforabitofpeace · 12/08/2025 11:47

I agree with JK but I do think the debate is toxic and that the gc side hasn’t resisted the urge to gloat.

why shouldn't we gloat?

what do you think the TRAs would be doing had they "won".

Indeed many GCs are continuing the campaign for 3rd spaces. Are the TRAs?

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 14:11

Nigel Farage, if what i have been reading recently is accurate, thinks TWAW.

I think his weasel response (around prisons) was that he's "not an expert". Which our one-handed media failed to point out has never stopped him before.

lcakethereforeIam · 12/08/2025 14:12

Bloody hell! I've just patched my irony meter together after the Russell T Davies thread, then I read this Sturgeon quote from the Scottish Express article 👆

I think one of the things my critics cannot say about me is that I do not debate with people.

And it blows up again! 😠

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 14:19

lcakethereforeIam · 12/08/2025 14:12

Bloody hell! I've just patched my irony meter together after the Russell T Davies thread, then I read this Sturgeon quote from the Scottish Express article 👆

I think one of the things my critics cannot say about me is that I do not debate with people.

And it blows up again! 😠

What people like NS fail to grasp is there is zero debate to be had. Sex is immutable. That's why it needs no qualifiers (I find "biological sex" a tautology that wastes valuable advertising space). To not accept that means you aren't even in the same universe. let alone same page.

The only debate is around how does a civilised country protect the safety, dignity and freedoms of minorities without removing the same from the majority. And that debate is universal. It doesn't just apply to one section of any society.

The problem is, when you go to war, there is more money to be made in guns than peace.

BunfightBetty · 12/08/2025 14:20

lcakethereforeIam · 12/08/2025 14:12

Bloody hell! I've just patched my irony meter together after the Russell T Davies thread, then I read this Sturgeon quote from the Scottish Express article 👆

I think one of the things my critics cannot say about me is that I do not debate with people.

And it blows up again! 😠

She is very confused, isn’t she.

Someone needs to explain to her that debate involves listening to the ‘other side’ and considering their points in your response. Sometimes it involves realising your own position needs adjusting in the light of new information and perspectives. Debate is not just forcefully shouting your own perspective and steamrollering to get your own way at all costs.

NHSFifeSadTimes · 12/08/2025 14:22

So Sturgeon is yet another one using JKR for publicity purposes. ( like Boy George former pop star) I would buy sturgeon’s book in order to burn it as it would be giving her money.

She is desperate for sales.

BunfightBetty · 12/08/2025 14:22

Hoardasurass · 12/08/2025 13:56

Not quite the point of.this thread but I think that this article shows how people outside of Scotland feel about Nicola Stergeon 🫢

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/call-petition-stop-nicola-sturgeon-35716202?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Too right, my heart sank when I saw she was thinking about moving to London. We don’t want her here! Though I doubt she’ll find herself suddenly becoming relevant again if she does try it.

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:22

Hoardasurass · 12/08/2025 14:03

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-suggests-jk-rowling-35715024?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
The woman is delusional and keeps calling womens rights campaigners as anti-trans rights activists ffs

Is that a challenge?

I'd piss my pants if JKRowling took her up on the offer to debate and the plan was to record it for the internet.

  1. it was never JKRowling ACTUAL job to listen to debate and opposing views like Sturgeons.
  2. secondly JKRowling did try and engage and was berated for it.
  3. Sturgeon has repeatedly shown herself up to be wildly out of her depth on the subject and is armed only with smears and mantra
  4. If she wants to debate it, is this an admission she STILL hasn't remotely changed her mind DESPITE her comments about rapists 'probably' shouldn't be allowed to transition.
  5. This still doesn't explain how she thinks the law would have been workable based on a lack of definition of gender and this wibbly wobbly timeywhimey concept of what it is and how it could replace sex. Which is pretty bad considering she was trying to write the law as that's what her job was.
  6. She's only saying this, because she doesn't think she'll be held to it. Even if JKRowling said yes, Sturgeon would find a reason why the terms / situation of the debate wasn't acceptable so she didn't have to do it (too dangerous probably).

I do hope JKR has something to say about this.... If only for the amusement value.

Having said that Sturgeon is clearly doing it, to virtue signal and to try and get publicity for her fucking book.

I wonder if JKR has an opening in her diary post Christmas...

NHSFifeSadTimes · 12/08/2025 14:25

This is good …… ‘Actor Frances Barber was equally scathing, posting on X: "Relieved to see that absolutely no one is buying the Nicola Sturgeon pity me memoir. Most of all the brilliant people of Scotland, who she betrayed & lambasted with false accusations.And after her bitter hatred for anything English, she now wants to live in London!"

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:27

Oh my.

Well it seems as if JKRowling isn't adverse to telling Nicola to fuck off either!!!!!!!!

Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate
Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate
Winterwonders24 · 12/08/2025 14:28

Beowulfa · 12/08/2025 08:36

Fuck off Sturgeon.

Nailed it.

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 14:29

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:27

Oh my.

Well it seems as if JKRowling isn't adverse to telling Nicola to fuck off either!!!!!!!!

How much would a JKR review of that book boost a papers sales by ?

NHSFifeSadTimes · 12/08/2025 14:29

RRP £28 now already £20. She’s going to have to pay people to buy it 😂

sad times Nicola

Needspaceforlego · 12/08/2025 14:29

Beowulfa · 12/08/2025 08:36

Fuck off Sturgeon.

So often the first reply on a thread gets it right.
Sturgeon go share a cell with Isla or a changing room with Beth

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:31

If you can't read it on the screen shot above this is the post from 20th July that JKR retweeted.

It says Nicola Sturgeon is facing ridicule for being compared to Obama in an official puff for her memoir.

This is how Sturgeon sees herself and this is what she wants her legacy to say.

😂

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:32

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 14:29

How much would a JKR review of that book boost a papers sales by ?

At £20 a throw?

Probably £100.

At £5 a throw?

Probably £100.

NHSFifeSadTimes · 12/08/2025 14:33

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:31

If you can't read it on the screen shot above this is the post from 20th July that JKR retweeted.

It says Nicola Sturgeon is facing ridicule for being compared to Obama in an official puff for her memoir.

This is how Sturgeon sees herself and this is what she wants her legacy to say.

😂

Absolutely delusional if she thinks she can be compared to Obama.

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 14:34

NHSFifeSadTimes · 12/08/2025 14:33

Absolutely delusional if she thinks she can be compared to Obama.

A profit is without honour in their own land.

lcakethereforeIam · 12/08/2025 14:34

I was seriously confused for a sec. I thought I don't like Sturgeon but she's no bin Laden. D'oh!

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:34

I am not sure that Nicola is going down terribly well in other circles...

Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate
Hoardasurass · 12/08/2025 14:38

Aaron95 · 12/08/2025 10:06

People can say "fuck off" all they want but it just further validates the point that it is not possible to hold any sort of rational debate on this topic. I'm not agreeing with Sturgeon's view on genderbut I do think she is right that it is no longer possible to discuss in a rational manner.

This is by no means the only topic where this is the case.

It was the TRAs, Stonewall and Stergeon et al who created no debate and when we insisted on a debate they made it toxic and issued death and rape threats.
None of that stopped women from fighting for our rights and offering debate. We offered sensible compromises and got more abuse. So we took the fuck you we'll take our rights back approach and went to crt and guess what we won and now the compromises we suggested are legally mandated ie 3rd spaces or use the men's. Funnily enough now they want a debate and cry about how toxic the debate is when men and women say no the time for debate is over follow the law ie fuck off

littlebilliie · 12/08/2025 14:38

History won’t look kindly on Nicola Sturgeon, probably Scotlands worst leader ever. Utterly in denial about the damage to Scotland and a generation

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