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Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate

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Tootsweets23 · 12/08/2025 08:33

The world has probably had enough of sturgeon to last a lifetime but today’s ‘revelation’ from her shite book is just infuriating.

A long catalogue of poor me, I’m pure of spirit, any criticism is toxic, everyone else is malevolent.

Despite calling people who don’t agree with her idiotic bill racists, homophobes and misogynists, here she says JK’s teeshirt didn’t elevate the debate or illuminate the issues.

And then goes on to say that this issue wasn’t really that important to mainstream voters but we are all guilty of hysteria.

And she wishes she had the courage to call a rapist female.

For someone allegedly politically astute this book is a very stupid strategy. Slow hand clap.

Nicola Sturgeon accuses JK Rowling of creating ‘toxic’ trans debate

https://www.thetimes.com/article/29160158-03f7-4afc-bce6-38a425c72df0?shareToken=3cf893fc3e26d2e2b4ced9467395d1d5

Nicola Sturgeon accuses JK Rowling of creating ‘toxic’ trans debate

Former first minister says author stoked ‘vile’ attacks that left her fearing for her physical safety

https://www.thetimes.com/article/29160158-03f7-4afc-bce6-38a425c72df0?shareToken=3cf893fc3e26d2e2b4ced9467395d1d5

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RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:39

Posted 2 mins ago.

Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate
NHSFifeSadTimes · 12/08/2025 14:42

Excellent! JKR can highlight the funniest bits of Sturgeon’s no-debate debate

NotMyRealAccount · 12/08/2025 14:42

Timeforabitofpeace · 12/08/2025 11:47

I agree with JK but I do think the debate is toxic and that the gc side hasn’t resisted the urge to gloat.

Too fucking right, we're getting our gloating in before anyone else takes all the credit for the work that women have put in to push back against men claiming to be just like us, only better, and invading our spaces.

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:43

From Amazon.

Product description
Review
Nicola Sturgeon is the council house kid who became one of Europe's most successful politicians. Here she tells her remarkable story with great skill and unflinching honesty. -- Alan Johnson, bestselling author of This Boy and former British Home Secretary

A triumph. Truly searching, truly frank, an excavation not only of what has been crucial in Sturgeon’s life and in our political times but in what I would call the interior life of our generation. Frankly is the most insightful and stylishly open memoir by a politician since Barack Obama’s Dreams From My Father. -- Andrew O'Hagan, bestselling author of Mayflies and Caledonian Road

How often has a working-class girl from Ayrshire risen to the highest office in Scotland and become a world leader who stood firmly for the dignity of her nation? Once, so far. Nicola is the first. She not only accompanied us through pivotal, decisive moments in British history, in many cases, she was their proponent. In compelling, clear-eyed, and self-critical prose, Frankly gives us a riveting, deeply human portrait of a woman coming into her power and reflecting on her battles, triumphs and defeats. Sturgeon’s voice is an essential account of our time and the collective fate of our nation. I was both enlightened and enthralled. -- Douglas Stuart, bestselling author of Shuggie Bain

Few women throughout history have occupied higher political office than Nicola Sturgeon. Once described as the most dangerous woman in Britain, this candid and unpretentious memoir is a riveting account from one of Scotland’s most distinguished daughters. A woman of remarkable substance, integrity and resilience. A must read by any standards. -- Shirley Manson, lead singer of Garbage

An amazing achievement. Nicola Sturgeon manages to write dispassionately about her life’s passion, and mindfully about experiences that could have broken her. Even the iniquities of the patriarchy she endured are recounted with fairness and compassion – qualities that made her the great leader she was and the strong, resilient and happy woman she is today. -- Alan Cumming, actor, writer and presenter

To have been in the room with the First Minister of Scotland during the crises of Brexit and Covid was to have witnessed, at first hand, a political leader at the height of her formidable powers. Now, in this highly personal account, you too can be alongside Nicola Sturgeon on her remarkable journey -- Mark Drakeford, former First Minister of Wales

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 14:46

NHSFifeSadTimes · 12/08/2025 14:42

Excellent! JKR can highlight the funniest bits of Sturgeon’s no-debate debate

Surely others have noted that it's symbolically ironic that one of the staunchest and most fearless critic of the TRA movement is one who created a safe magical fictional world for all humans to enjoy ?

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 14:47

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:43

From Amazon.

Product description
Review
Nicola Sturgeon is the council house kid who became one of Europe's most successful politicians. Here she tells her remarkable story with great skill and unflinching honesty. -- Alan Johnson, bestselling author of This Boy and former British Home Secretary

A triumph. Truly searching, truly frank, an excavation not only of what has been crucial in Sturgeon’s life and in our political times but in what I would call the interior life of our generation. Frankly is the most insightful and stylishly open memoir by a politician since Barack Obama’s Dreams From My Father. -- Andrew O'Hagan, bestselling author of Mayflies and Caledonian Road

How often has a working-class girl from Ayrshire risen to the highest office in Scotland and become a world leader who stood firmly for the dignity of her nation? Once, so far. Nicola is the first. She not only accompanied us through pivotal, decisive moments in British history, in many cases, she was their proponent. In compelling, clear-eyed, and self-critical prose, Frankly gives us a riveting, deeply human portrait of a woman coming into her power and reflecting on her battles, triumphs and defeats. Sturgeon’s voice is an essential account of our time and the collective fate of our nation. I was both enlightened and enthralled. -- Douglas Stuart, bestselling author of Shuggie Bain

Few women throughout history have occupied higher political office than Nicola Sturgeon. Once described as the most dangerous woman in Britain, this candid and unpretentious memoir is a riveting account from one of Scotland’s most distinguished daughters. A woman of remarkable substance, integrity and resilience. A must read by any standards. -- Shirley Manson, lead singer of Garbage

An amazing achievement. Nicola Sturgeon manages to write dispassionately about her life’s passion, and mindfully about experiences that could have broken her. Even the iniquities of the patriarchy she endured are recounted with fairness and compassion – qualities that made her the great leader she was and the strong, resilient and happy woman she is today. -- Alan Cumming, actor, writer and presenter

To have been in the room with the First Minister of Scotland during the crises of Brexit and Covid was to have witnessed, at first hand, a political leader at the height of her formidable powers. Now, in this highly personal account, you too can be alongside Nicola Sturgeon on her remarkable journey -- Mark Drakeford, former First Minister of Wales

Who remembers the Veet reviews ?

NHSFifeSadTimes · 12/08/2025 14:52

Floisme · 12/08/2025 09:23

I'm looking forward to seeing her book in The Works, alongside 'Didley Squat: A Year on the Farm' by Jeremy Clarkson.

Nah it’s going straight to charity shops

mrshoho · 12/08/2025 15:09

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:39

Posted 2 mins ago.

Truly superb.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/08/2025 15:13

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 14:34

A profit is without honour in their own land.

My my, cherry picking Jesus -

"Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honour except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.”

Nobody outside her own bubble, thinks she's a prophet.

SerendipityJane · 12/08/2025 15:19

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/08/2025 15:13

My my, cherry picking Jesus -

"Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honour except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.”

Nobody outside her own bubble, thinks she's a prophet.

Looks like I need to stick to puns in French 😀

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 15:25

Twitter posts

User A
Let's compare 'ideological nationalist' salmond and 'pragmatic nationalist' sturgeon. As FMs compare their achievements, then in the years after, what they did/attemped. I'd say one of the two looked at best 'no that bothered' and at worst...
Retweets User B:
Nicola Sturgeon is tempted to move to England but we are meant to believe she spent her whole career as a British politician fighting for Scottish independence?

Pissed off the nationalists too then.

Tom Harris AT MrTCHarris (Telegraph)
Another gem from Sturgeon's biography (complete with my hand-written notes). This anecdote is from the night when Holyrood approved the Gender Recognition Reform Bill in December 2022.

Also
Tom Harris AT MrTCHarris (Telegraph)
Not that many people will care, but three pages of descriptions of private conversations with the Queen is. . . ill-advised. Literally.

Pissed off the Royalists

Another tweet:
Did she name the book after this Frank? Shameless Sturgeon?
Picture of Frank Gallagher

And another.
Very fed up reading about Sturgeon, her lies, her amnesia, her sexual preferences, her ego, her sister and her marriage. Can’t we have something more edifying and believable ?

Seems like some are unconvinced by Alan Johnson's claim about her 'unfliching honesty' in the media review.

Here's another (I'm yet to find a single kind word on twitter about Sturgeon using the 'latest posts' search)
Do believe the vast majority of people in Scotland, beytrayed Independistas and Unionists alike, would happily foot the bill for the one way ticket out of Scotland for Sturgeon.

For Women Scotland AT ForWomen Scot
This was our tweet used by AT BBCSounds as "evidence" of the "abuse" Sturgeon received in the wake of T-shirtgate. No matter that it's not abusive or that it was a full 2.5 years later.
AT adamfleming
I am sure you didn't select the graphics, but we'd be grateful if this could be sorted. This tweet was inspired by Sturgeon saying "the law (ie Equality Act) has to change". Ironically, at the time, post SC ruling, we were being inundated with actual threats.

For Women Scotland AT ForWomen Scot Tweet from May 25
So AT NicolaSturgeon has admitted what we already knew - she wants to repeal the Equality Act and destroy women's and LGB people's legal protections. Not to mention making life impossible for some ethnic or religious minority women What a traitor she is!
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/sturgeon-supreme-courts-definition-of-woman-is-massively-overinterpreted-tftvq279w

Oh well the BBC look like they've pissed off FWS with some dubious reporting. At least someone likes Sturgeon.

I wonder if you pieced together all the extracts and screenshots of bits of the Nicola Sturgeon book that’ve been posted pre-publication, reassembling them randomly, it’d read like a modern-day ‘Time’s Arrow’? Or a Quentin Tarantino script?

Tom Harris AT MrTCHarris (Telegraph) again.
Interesting anecdote on Sturgeon's biography, from the day after the 2015 general election. It's the only mention I get. The thing is, it isn't true.
Refers to him being on a plane with him. He refutes it saying it was another defeated Labour MP instead.

Another comment.
When you have spoken drivel as long as Sturgeon and her utterances ha e not been questioned, you soon see that when she is cornered, she has no idea which way to turn. Be what you are, Sturgeon, own your own sensuality first, and then you can have an opinion. Dreadful leader.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/nicola-sturgeon-frankly-review-book-snp-covid-salmond-scotland-b2804319.html
Nicola Sturgeon’s Frankly memoir is an act of vanity that leaves too much unanswered Review by Andrew Nicoll

Going swimmingly.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/frankly-what-we-learned-from-nicola-sturgeon-memoir-5267020
One of the things this mentions is the following...

Nicola Sturgeon and Derek Mackay are still friends
Ms Sturgeon said she still counts disgraced former finance secretary Derek Mackay as a friend despite the “serious mistake” he made by sending inappropriate messages to a 16-year-old boy.

Mr Mackay was forced to resign on the eve of the Scottish budget after the allegations were made public, forcing the then public finance minister Kate Forbes to step up in his place at the last minute.

The former first minister said she was initially in denial about the story and thought “it couldn’t possibly be true”, but then “felt sick” reading the full story.
She wrote: “The feelings of shock and upset were palpable. For me and my ministerial team, Derek had been a friend as well as a colleague. However, he had made a serious mistake and, rightly, paid the price.

“He eventually got his life back on track and, though it would be a few years before I spoke to him again, I still count him as a friend.”

I MEAN....

Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate
Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate
Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate
Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/08/2025 15:30

impossibletoday · 12/08/2025 15:02

Brillant 🤩

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 15:31

OOO I found one which isn't negative.

The way the gender critical movement is demonising Nicola Sturgeon right now shows an awful lot about how they treat women. Nicola’s only ‘crime’ being to respectfully disagree with them, as did and do most women in the Scottish Parliament.

OOooo and this one, which has amongst Sturgeon's achievements... checks notes... 'children getting older'.
Nicola Sturgeon says she made mistakes. Of course she did. She’s human. But under her premiership support for independence steadily climbed. By the next election there will be 1 million new voters who couldn’t vote in 2014. They’re the Yes generation.

Its BAD.

People are really angry at her interview and the book promotion.

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 12/08/2025 15:38

The way the gender critical movement is demonising Nicola Sturgeon right now shows an awful lot about how they treat women. Nicola’s only ‘crime’ being to respectfully disagree with them, as did and do most women in the Scottish Parliament.

Doh! My bad! I didn't realise being labelled a bigot, transphobe & homophobic as well as anti feminist for not agreeing that men should just self ID as women and bugger the consequences was respectful disagreement. God is my face red now

Apollo441 · 12/08/2025 15:44

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 12/08/2025 15:38

The way the gender critical movement is demonising Nicola Sturgeon right now shows an awful lot about how they treat women. Nicola’s only ‘crime’ being to respectfully disagree with them, as did and do most women in the Scottish Parliament.

Doh! My bad! I didn't realise being labelled a bigot, transphobe & homophobic as well as anti feminist for not agreeing that men should just self ID as women and bugger the consequences was respectful disagreement. God is my face red now

You forgot 'probably racist' too.

lechiffre55 · 12/08/2025 15:49

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:27

Oh my.

Well it seems as if JKRowling isn't adverse to telling Nicola to fuck off either!!!!!!!!

I want that book!!!!!
JKR's swearing all over it :)

MarieDeGournay · 12/08/2025 16:11

impossibletoday · 12/08/2025 15:02

JK has such deep deep reserves of devastatingly witty responses to everything, hasn't she? She never disappoints.
This is a real gem😁

I was waiting for the 'those nasty GC women picking on poor noble downtrodden Nicola' comments to appear.

The thing is, if NS had faded quietly into the background, either said some kind of 'sorry' or even just said nothing, we wouldn't be hounding her in whatever corner of the world she had retired to - probably North London..

If she just stayed quiet for a while, and then made the occasional statement about it all being a revealing and humbling experience which forced her to re-think the fundamentals and broaden her understanding of politics and people, we might even have welcomed her onto our TV screens in a harmlessly entertaining transport-related documentary series.

I wonder does she like trains? She already has a wardrobe of brightly-coloured jacketsWink

SidewaysOtter · 12/08/2025 16:14

TheKeatingFive · 12/08/2025 10:18

If the poster could clarify the exact tone we're permitted to use when raising the point that we object to male rapists in women's jails, that would be much appreciated.

I believe we were supposed to ask politely (and quietly) if our opinions could be considered. Then, when told that not only were we wrong but that such issues should be left to our political betters to deal with, we were supposed to sit down and get on with our embroidery (quietly).

And...those cover reviews. Shirley Manson from Garbage is doing book reviews now? Hmm

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 16:28

"From as far back as I can recall, I didn't just have an ambition to go to university but, rather, a certainty that I would do so. No one else in the history of my family had ever studied for a degree, so it is hard to know where that came from. In fact, back then I was a walking contradiction.

"Alongside shyness, a crippling lack of confidence and a dreadful fear of failure, was a burning ambition, a drive to succeed, a craving to be 'seen.' I had - at risk of sounding daft - a very strong sense of 'destiny;' a feeling that whatever I did in life would not be 'ordinary', that it would attract attention.
Nicola Sturgeon, Frank

God Complex Much.

Questions of The Truth

Alex Neil AT AlexNeilSNP
Contrary to what Nicola Sturgeon appears to claim, Alex Salmond was NOT opposed to the gay marriage legislation. I was the Health Secretary who took the Bill through Parliament at Alex request. He told me that Nicola didn’t want to do it any longer as she was fed up with it

LOOOOONNGGGG thread incoming

Susan Dalgety AT DalgetySusan
The challenge for Nic’s version of history is that we all have receipts: the women’s movement; her former colleagues; the people of Scotland. We know.

For Women Scotland AT ForWomenScotland
FRANKLY, yesterday’s woman, the former FM who left office in a miasma of her own (and her hubby’s) making is getting far too much attention. But there is some revisionism that is just too egregious to ignore. Especially as she has a platform denied to us.

If Sturgeon really thinks Oct 22 was the point the debate became “toxic” & hope of “common ground” disappeared, we wonder if she was drunk or in a coma for half a decade? Otherwise how to account for such wilful blindness?

Clearly, the shirt hit a nerve, “it seems blindingly obvious that a stunt like that was never going to elevate the debate or illuminate the issues at the heart of it.” But Sturgeon wasn’t interested in debate. Her zealotry made Thatcher’s commitment to the Poll Tax look measured.

She has disappeared into a hubristic fantasy of her own inviolability and righteousness which is as ridiculous as it is insulting. Worry not, we have the receipts!

Late 22 saw last ditch attempts by campaigners, after years of vilification, to have concerns taken seriously before the Bill came to Parl. Our huge event was supported by many former & current MSPs with a typically passionate speech by
AT JohannLamont
^https://forwomen.scot/08/10/2022/womens-rally-october-2022/^

It didn’t come out of nowhere. In Sep 19, Sturgeon said at the UN that women’s concerns were “misplaced”. We wrote, asking her for a meeting. Naturally, she wouldn't give us the time of day.
(Copy of a letter declining a meeting with Sturgeon)

When she refused, we asked Shirley Ann Somerville - several times - she also refused. We also asked if they would consider attempting to ensure a respectful discussion and avoid the issues that marred previous meetings.
^https://forwomen.scot/17/09/2019/consultation-with-stakeholders/^

Sturgeon now claims that she didn’t think JKRowling would be up for debating her. We were, but perhaps we weren't high profile enough. Were campaigners like FWS, members of her own NEC & her own parliamentarians (like Ash Regan MSP), below her touch?

AT CallieMac009 wrote an account of Sturgeon's stewardship of the SNP in WWWW. She recalls a letter written in 2020 which she “naively” thought the leader would not ignore. Later, she realised that “naked intimidation” was not just tolerated but encouraged.
^Source: x.com/LucyHunterB/status/1954690183368208872^

The previous meeting we referred to in our letter was in Jan 2019. We wrote about it here:
Protesters outside the venue included “Cathy” who said that we should be “made afraid & silenced by force”. For us, it seemed quite toxic then!
^https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1277707915600826369^

Yet, this was small beer compared to the event at Edinburgh University later that year. Speakers said they had never encountered such security which was more akin to that in place for visiting heads of state. Claire Heuchan recalls (in WWWW) the anxiety made her physically sick.

Of course, the lovely “Cathy” popped up & assaulted AT bindelj. Another large man who had threatened to “throat punch” FWS was outside protesting. Sturgeon is upset she was called “destroyer of women’s rights” in 2022. We were worried about being killed.

In Sep 2021 we had a protest at Parliament. Our chants were so loud that they were heard in the chamber during FMQs. It was covered extensively in the press, but perhaps Ms Sturgeon didn’t read the papers.

She was certainly made aware of it by AT Murdo_Fraser who said that he had gone out to the protest and met women concerned about GRR. Sturgeon started shouting either “shame on you” or “shame on them” (it’s contested) at him.

Some of her closest allies then began to spread malicious smears about the demo. Mhairi Hunter, her former campaign manager, took to Twitter to claim that a fascist group had announced their intention to attend our protest in support. Of course, it was wholly without foundation.

Even after she was shown evidence to disprove it, she refused to retract. And other, large follower accounts joined in. What does Sturgeon think this did to our fears for our safety or to our mental health?

Karen Adam, later to sit on the committee examining GRR, jumped on the bandwagon to make the protest all about her and paint the women as feral monsters.

Some of the nastiest accounts on the internet gleefully seized on the opportunity to be abusive.
(individual post here with photos) https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1434255093499576320

Let's not forget that Sturgeon happily jumped into bed with Patrick Harvie despite the toxic & intemperate language he used about fellow MSPs - not least, Joan McAlpine and Johann Lamont.
So much for supporting women over abusive men!

Harvie’s language during the Hate Crime debate was especially nasty. We complained several times about the Greens. Sturgeon, of course, was begging her own SNP bullies not to leave the party in her famous broom-cupboard address.

We don't discount the possibility that Sturgeon got threats - it would, sadly, be unusual if she didn’t. But we would have more sympathy had she ever attempted to deal with the situation in the SNP and the appalling targeting of Joanna Cherry

It was happening under her nose. So either she was lumpenly unintelligent and unaware (so much for the famed emotional intelligence!), she didn’t care, or she saw and approved.

She makes large claims about her commitment to women’s rights. But Sturgeon has never done much for women - especially those she worked with. Her "feminism" is largely centered on herself.

Sturgeon repeats her risible claim that we are “standing alongside” Trump, Putin & Orbán. This is the juvenile argument we call "vegetarians are all Hitler”. I imagine she stands with them on gravity. Unless she thinks we are bobbing along hitting our heads off the rainbow.

Naturally, she can’t resist more underhanded attempts to attack women’s rights activists: “The tactics deployed by some, however sincere their views might have been, suggested there was another agenda at work.” What tactics? What agenda? Spell it out!

Sturgeon is touring the radio stations, she has a book, publicity, and a huge advance. She is not the David in this fight. If anyone would like the full FWS version, we are more than open to bashing out a book for a lot less. It will also be far more entertaining!

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 16:34

Craig Murray AT CraigMurrayOrg
This is a total lie. My friend Gordon Wilson unfortunately opposed gay marriage, and he argued vigorously with Alex about it. Alex absolutely supported gay marriage. Sturgeon is spreading utter lies to try to take the credit for herself.

Waitwhat23 · 12/08/2025 16:44

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 14:43

From Amazon.

Product description
Review
Nicola Sturgeon is the council house kid who became one of Europe's most successful politicians. Here she tells her remarkable story with great skill and unflinching honesty. -- Alan Johnson, bestselling author of This Boy and former British Home Secretary

A triumph. Truly searching, truly frank, an excavation not only of what has been crucial in Sturgeon’s life and in our political times but in what I would call the interior life of our generation. Frankly is the most insightful and stylishly open memoir by a politician since Barack Obama’s Dreams From My Father. -- Andrew O'Hagan, bestselling author of Mayflies and Caledonian Road

How often has a working-class girl from Ayrshire risen to the highest office in Scotland and become a world leader who stood firmly for the dignity of her nation? Once, so far. Nicola is the first. She not only accompanied us through pivotal, decisive moments in British history, in many cases, she was their proponent. In compelling, clear-eyed, and self-critical prose, Frankly gives us a riveting, deeply human portrait of a woman coming into her power and reflecting on her battles, triumphs and defeats. Sturgeon’s voice is an essential account of our time and the collective fate of our nation. I was both enlightened and enthralled. -- Douglas Stuart, bestselling author of Shuggie Bain

Few women throughout history have occupied higher political office than Nicola Sturgeon. Once described as the most dangerous woman in Britain, this candid and unpretentious memoir is a riveting account from one of Scotland’s most distinguished daughters. A woman of remarkable substance, integrity and resilience. A must read by any standards. -- Shirley Manson, lead singer of Garbage

An amazing achievement. Nicola Sturgeon manages to write dispassionately about her life’s passion, and mindfully about experiences that could have broken her. Even the iniquities of the patriarchy she endured are recounted with fairness and compassion – qualities that made her the great leader she was and the strong, resilient and happy woman she is today. -- Alan Cumming, actor, writer and presenter

To have been in the room with the First Minister of Scotland during the crises of Brexit and Covid was to have witnessed, at first hand, a political leader at the height of her formidable powers. Now, in this highly personal account, you too can be alongside Nicola Sturgeon on her remarkable journey -- Mark Drakeford, former First Minister of Wales

That product description has reminded me of a shite poem some rando (I have my suspicions) wrote in praise of Sturgeon. It's hilariously fawning.

Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate
Gofaster2023 · 12/08/2025 16:46

I mean. It was hardly classy of JKR to wear a tahirt slagging her off, was it? Hardly the height of reasoned debate. I'm defending neither of them, but a lot of you hate Sturgeon, take cheap shots and then somehow think you've the upper hand and are cutely hilarious.

SionnachRuadh · 12/08/2025 16:46

Jeepers!

I knew people wrote terrible poems about Jeremy Corbyn, but I kind of put that down to the Corbyn fan demographic.

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