Sturgeon accuses JK of toxic trans debate

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The world has probably had enough of sturgeon to last a lifetime but today’s ‘revelation’ from her shite book is just infuriating.

A long catalogue of poor me, I’m pure of spirit, any criticism is toxic, everyone else is malevolent.

Despite calling people who don’t agree with her idiotic bill racists, homophobes and misogynists, here she says JK’s teeshirt didn’t elevate the debate or illuminate the issues.

And then goes on to say that this issue wasn’t really that important to mainstream voters but we are all guilty of hysteria.

And she wishes she had the courage to call a rapist female.

For someone allegedly politically astute this book is a very stupid strategy. Slow hand clap.

Nicola Sturgeon accuses JK Rowling of creating ‘toxic’ trans debate

https://www.thetimes.com/article/29160158-03f7-4afc-bce6-38a425c72df0?shareToken=3cf893fc3e26d2e2b4ced9467395d1d5

Whats the block on having a rational debate?

She had a obligation to vote on a rape case handling bill.

A key point on the conflict of rights was balancing the rights of the of two witness who would present evidence to the court.

The first witness under oath in a Court would offer direct evidence that she or he had been sexually assaulted

The second witness under Oath inna Court would offer direct evidence that she or he had collected evidence from within and off the body of the first witness (so by default the role involved intimate personal contact with the first witness by using body parts and/or objects) and prehaps the accused.

No issues with that is there?

So TRA decided that the bill should not use the word sex in clauses relating to the second witness.
That the word used should be gender and therefore
(a) if the first witness requested a woman to collect evidence then the sex of the person could be either female or male.
(n) if the first witness requested a man to collect evidence then the sex of the person could be either male or female.

Others objected and wanted only the word sex in clauses relating to the second witness.
As
(a) if the first witness requested a woman to collect evidence the witness only consented to a person of the female sex.
(n) if the first witness requested a man to collect evidence the witness only consented to a person of the female sex.

So what do we as a society do with persons admits under Oath in a Court that she/he had engaged in intimate personal contact by using her/his body parts and/or objects when she/he had not obtained consent?

Now if a TRA or anybody else can or wants to offer an opinion on that I am (and am sure others) can put forward a very rational argument as to why the rights of the employee should not and can not subjugate the rights of a witness who has been sexually assaulted.

Or even if someone wants to discuss how N. Sturgeon managed to not understand either sides point of view.

Why shouldn't they gloat after being monstered, demonised, threatened, attacked, lost their livelihoods, and then ultimately been vindicated after taking the most reasonable and non-violent routes to justice? Why shouldn't they allow themselves a 'fuck you lot'?

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In Scotland it was Nicola Sturgeon and the government and parliament she led that prevented any debate or rationality. She actively subverted the democratic process and froze people out of it. They refused to be present when witnesses they didn't like were giving evidence in parliament on the bill. Her ministers refused to meet with their own constituents and others had staff who blocked emails from constituents. The 'debate' has been taken to the highest level in court by women who refused to accept those terms while Nicola Sturgeon and her acolytes doubled down at every turn. The discussion has nevertheless been forced and facilitated by one side and one side only despite the brick walls.

I can only imagine the gloating that would have happened if the SC decision would have gone the other way, including from Nicola Sturgeon, it would have made her reaction when Jo Swinson lost her seat look restraint.

I don't see gloating but I do see and feel the celebration of the vindication of our views and our rights. I can understand how certain people see it as gloating as that is a reflection of their own shortlived smugness. We've still got many battles to go and one thing is sure we will not be silenced.

Too fucking right we're gloating!!

we've begun abused, harassed, doxxed, threatened - people have been fired, services for women removed, safeguarding forgotten about all to feed the delusions (and worse) of men who say they feel like a woman (however it is all women feel!!)

we were told we were on the WSOH, that no one cared, that we would lose our cases do no point in bringing them, belittled, sneered at & told we were old and would die soon

abd yet we were right all along because reality doesn't care about hurry feelz

gloat? It's the least we fucking deserve to do

It’s not gloating to celebrate and welcome the brick by brick dismantling of an ideology that harms us. It’s not gloating to finally have it recognised that what we’ve been saying all along IS the truth. It’s not gloating to welcome people like Sturgeon having to face the music for all the harm she’s caused to women and children, in order to further her political career.

The debate was made toxic by mentally unwell men and their handmaidens, take it up with them.

"I told you so" or even "I fucken told you so" only feels like gloat if the listner is too emotionally invested to accept the fact that the listner was wrong and that their choice of ignoring the one who pointed that out was the listners choice.

I have no regard for Sturgeon so she can boil her daft heid for all I care. Jo Rowling on the other hand is a true friend to women.

Too fucking right we're gloating!!

Oh you heartless gloaters !!! 😂

Yep and if your a politician and dont have someone keeping an eye on the "red top" papers as well as other media you should not be suprised if you end up in a media storm when its about a rapist👀

Rational: based on or in accordance with reason or knowledge.

I can't think of any other topic where it is considered 'toxic' to acknowledge basic facts. Trans Women are by definition men. Humans cannot change sex. Humans are mammals and reproduce sexually. The recognition of women as a sex class and the protection of their sex specific rights is central to their ability to participate equally in society.

JKR is not the reason that rational debate has been stymied. For that go back to the enforcement of 'Trans women are women'.

'Mein Kampervan' is marvellous.
Ds mused about going and seeing her live at the Festival: 'would I come along?'. I can't. I'd have to sit on my hands. Or heckle.

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To whever was trying to use the emotional term gloat to scold - fuck you.
I'll gloat about women not wheeshting for as long as I bloody like and feel no shame at all about it.
They came for women's rights armed with "no debate", violent intimidation, and the bottles of stale piss they had lying around. Now they are fucked and their cause is in tatters. As Malcolm Tucker would say "offity fuck".

I think that moment came when Nicola Sturgeon dismissed those who disagreed with her as misogynists , homphobes and racists. As Alex Massie correctly identifies she does not have the emotional intelligence to admit or acknowledge that people could disagree with her in good faith and be able to engage in respectful discussions. Sturgeons iron grip of the SNP and if Scottish government has been disastrous both for the party and for wider democracy in Scotland as it emboldened those whose only argument was if your not with us your against us

Words cannot adequately express my contempt for this woman.

How can she conduct that interview and say those things without understanding how utterly ridiculous and self contradictory she sounds? She has clearly lost all power of rational thought.

The women abused the position of First Minister of Scotland to further her own pet cause, she betrayed democracy, the people of Scotland and most of all she betrayed all women and children, she should be on her way to the Bloody Tower not on a book tour.

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And she wishes she had the courage to call a rapist female.

oh god me too. I want her to stand next to a photo of Isla Bryson and say "sure, this is a woman"

that would be game over and we could all get back to our regular feminist activities.

Not quite the point of.this thread but I think that this article shows how people outside of Scotland feel about Nicola Stergeon 🫢

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/call-petition-stop-nicola-sturgeon-35716202?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

oh NOES! women being firm!!

She can fuck off to the far side of Pluto as far as i'm concerned, and keep on off-fucking.

the TRAs are the gift that keep on giving. I sincerely hope they keep speaking.

Isn’t it slightly toxic to accuse someone else of triggering the messages that other people sent that made her feel scared ? It’s hardly smoothing things over is it? Blaming someone else for creating the toxic atmosphere and “enabling “ people to be nasty - it’s not as though JKR paid for those people to have internet access or gave them free stamps is it?

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-suggests-jk-rowling-35715024?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
The woman is delusional and keeps calling womens rights campaigners as anti-trans rights activists ffs