NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #39

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36
Thread 37: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378200-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-37
Thread 38: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378463-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-38

Ooh, this should be interesting.

The answer from all of them so far has been 'there isn't one'

When KS did her own search for emails she searched Inbox and Sent. What about other parts of the file structure? For example a folder specifically for this matter?

There’s a certain irony that the insistence (to Sandie) of the likes of Upton and Searle that grievances be raised in a proper manner has landed them in an Employment Tribunal.

Cracking Q's from the J.

The judge is asking Kate a lot of questions.

At this stage the judge will avoid saying anything that would appear to show that he has already made up his mind on any of the points in issue. Since JR has made it clear that she intends to argue that the SC judgement only applies to representation on public bodies, the judge cannot say anything that indicates he doesn't accept that as a possibility. In that respect, I think NC would have been better referring to the judge's previous decision allowing SP's team to use male pronouns for Upton.

JR up again now with her questions says she'll be relatively quick

So either she's lying (again) or the rest of the consultants have written her off as a mad bastard best ignored.

I think it's safe to assume she's lying though. Since that's pretty much all she's done so far.

IME he said/she said only really used to talk about male violence like DV and rape. So maybe that’s the inference these 2 witnesses (and Fife legal strategy?) want you to take, that SP is an aggressor.

@Rightsraptor That's because she's slippery as fuck.

Chinny reckon

Enjoyed KS going into detail for the judge about the different dates and using “legal” ‘before Parliament’ jargon. And then when he gently bats back, says she googled excerpts!

perfidious - deceitful and untrustworthy

conduct unbecoming of a doctor

At least 2 years. And unfortunately both pen and machine stenography are jobs that are vulnerable to automisation.

ONE person replied to the intemperate (to quote NC) email.

KS said emails were automatically deleted every 30 days or so, which is significant if individuals are asked to look for things - shouldn't have been left to them, should it?

This woman could not tell the truth if her life flippin depended on it.. and she works in a hospital 🙈

I believe it takes 2-4 years. The keys on the machine they use are unlabelled.

Can't they just use an audio recording and use a speech to text transcription. Seems it would be much cheaper.

If you were fastest possible touch typist would that make it shorter?

That's really interesting - why are they unlabelled?

Oh...talking about intersex now. Not sure what the question was.

KS finally seems to agree that "biological sex" is a thing but then in answer to another questions suggests there are "other possibilities" in addition to the two sexes, for example XYY.

Although if it does turn out to be the mad bastard option that wouldn't come as a great shock. Imagine having to run an emergency medicine department alongside that.

Out of interest, why? That seems overly complicated.