NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #36

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35

I've finally caught up, and now need a lie down. JFC!

I looked as well as the wording seemed off and can't find it anywhere so I'm reserving judgement at the moment.

i answered someone the other day about not attacking people's looks, they have enough batshit material to attack - and was roundly and soundly abused and then blocked.

baffling.

Pete is poised and ready

Evidence of DUs behaviour in past roles would have to be put to him in court. A newspaper article isn’t going to influence the panel.

I have a question about CLM for someone with a good memory. It sounds as though she tried to Do The Right Thing in getting SP back to work. But was she Doing The Right Thing before or after NHS Fife received a legal letter from Margaret Gribbon?

I believe she said she didn’t read the letter and it didn’t affect her judgement or process. So, after.

I think it was After (but said she hadn't read or been interested in MG's letter).

Phew! Caught up at last.

I think it was After (but said she hadn't read or been interested in MG's letter).

As my late DF used to say " A likely story."

PGPs
abbr. : preferred gender pronouns. Often used during introductions, becoming more common as a standard practice. Many suggest removing the “preferred,” because it indicates flexibility and/or the power for the speaker to decide which pronouns to use for someone else.

How funny, I was under the impression I did have the power to decide what words come out of my mouth.

What are the chances that NHS Fife have accepted liability and there is a discussion about separating DU’s response from theirs, and about exactly how many Scottish poonds will be awarded?

As per my post, if a witness is not available to be cross examined, their evidence will carry less weight.

Pondering the neopronouns

Just/try/it

Or

Did/warn/you

But if it were in the bundle it would be part of the consideration. SP was cross examined by JR who could have tried to discredit it. But as from what I can see it looks like hearsay, it would have little weight which is presumably why it wasn’t raised by JR as she didn’t want it to gain any.

OMG I spat my coffee!

I have to be careful...the boss is looking at me...

Mine are
Yve/been/telt

I think that means you are in the room. Already joined. But no camera because it's switched off at the court end. I'm in the same position and think it's ok.

I've always said that mine would be fuck/off but fortunately I've never been put to the test...

Technical question.

Can someone advise me if there's any way to set a Windows laptop to slowly scroll automatically? I have co-incidentally taken this week as annual leave and have a hunneranwun things I should be doing but my right forefinger seems to be glued to the down arrow.

Thanks.

Been on calls this morning, on way downstairs was thinking that there would be a good hour of Tribunal Tweets to catch up on. I see not!

If your experience as an employer is that trump supporting employees have caused long expensive tribunals, would it be discriminatory of you if this information caused you not to employ trump supporters?

Not sure. The only calories I'm burning are the ones my finger uses to press the refresh button.

Before you lie down, you need to consider the Red Queen Hypothesis

I suppose it's still possible that Fife could concede defeat (which would be a shame as I really want to hear NC's cross of KS!).