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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #36

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nauticant · 22/07/2025 10:21

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35

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snickersbarchild · 22/07/2025 15:01

non Disclosure issues. Ooo er!

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 22/07/2025 15:01

DrPrunesqualer · 22/07/2025 14:59

“ I am all astonishment” Do I spot a Pride and Prejudice fan there 😁.

You do indeed!

GCITC · 22/07/2025 15:01

Already sat open mouthed

Boiledbeetle · 22/07/2025 15:02

Me right now 👇

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #36
RedToothBrush · 22/07/2025 15:02

Tandora · 22/07/2025 15:00

Speaking as a 'ally', I have never been turned on or attacked for imperfections in my view by trans people or their supporters.

I have, however, had any expression of nuance in my view (or simple errors like misgendering) weaponised against me repeatedly by mumsnetters on the other side (e.g. calling me the banned word that begins with T and ends with F, calling me transphobic etc - this has never come from trans people).

I think this is yet another case of people accusing others of the very thing that they are in fact the ones doing. It's bonkers really.

Edited

Thats nice dear.

I'm sure thats what everyone else said until they got turned on.

BezMills · 22/07/2025 15:02

From TT

NC It's orders that the Rs provided. It says asap but Rs must supply all docs by this date [reading out] Were u aware of it?
KS An order for documents? I..I'm not sure.. I don't know
NC An email between u and IB on 8.1 that was provided to the C's before the order was made. Did u provide it/
KS I've trawled all my emails but before this I wasnt

Fifer : check oot the live price ae Vileda. Up 5 ticks, kaching

murasaki · 22/07/2025 15:02

DrPrunesqualer · 22/07/2025 14:59

“ I am all astonishment” Do I spot a Pride and Prejudice fan there 😁.

It is universally acknowledged that a man in possession of a lady penis is in search of a female changing room.

ickky · 22/07/2025 15:03

KS didn't know that she had to search ALL her email addresses. 🤔🤔🤔

NebulousSupportPostcard · 22/07/2025 15:03

Katre Searle needs to remember GMC notes about being honest!

CriticalCondition · 22/07/2025 15:03

KS says she only trawled her emails recently before this second session.

Jitrenka · 22/07/2025 15:04

Oh she is slippery!!

RedToothBrush · 22/07/2025 15:04

NebulousSupportPostcard · 22/07/2025 15:03

Katre Searle needs to remember GMC notes about being honest!

Bahahahahahah.

But but but but.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 22/07/2025 15:04

Oooooh is she leading up to contempt of court for not providing all evidence?

CriticalCondition · 22/07/2025 15:04

Hmm, a meeting with IT in April or May to search emails.

GreenFriedTomato · 22/07/2025 15:04

Lots of pausing, stuttering and 'i don't recall's' now.

ickky · 22/07/2025 15:04

Maybe a "I must not tell lies" written on her hand would help?

Boiledbeetle · 22/07/2025 15:04

She knows she's in the shit

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 22/07/2025 15:04

murasaki · 22/07/2025 15:02

It is universally acknowledged that a man in possession of a lady penis is in search of a female changing room.

Austen has a quote for everything doesn't she? 😂

snickersbarchild · 22/07/2025 15:05

WTF NHS Fife? How many times does 'give us all the relevant docs' need to be repeated to NHS Fife.

ickky · 22/07/2025 15:05

I really hope NC has another non disclosed document to whip out. 😂

CriticalCondition · 22/07/2025 15:06

Are you confident you have provided everything. Yes.

Big trap coming. Big one.

Jerabilis · 22/07/2025 15:06

KS already really struggling. At best it suggests NHS Fife made no attempt to comply with the original case management order. At worst she actively didn't comply...

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 22/07/2025 15:06

ickky · 22/07/2025 15:04

Maybe a "I must not tell lies" written on her hand would help?

And on the other hand it says 'just say you don't recall'.

chilling19 · 22/07/2025 15:06

CriticalCondition · 22/07/2025 15:06

Are you confident you have provided everything. Yes.

Big trap coming. Big one.

Yes I think so

Boiledbeetle · 22/07/2025 15:07

snickersbarchild · 22/07/2025 15:05

WTF NHS Fife? How many times does 'give us all the relevant docs' need to be repeated to NHS Fife.

With my trust it took 3 letters and 7 months!

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