NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #36

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35

So KS didn't check with IB about trust policy until Dec 8th when DU already using female cr since august?

Am I reading that correctly?

Evidence of institutional capture. Assumption that everyone would be on board. Still don’t know why the female doc lounge wasn’t suggested.

This, in a nutshell

Underestimate the relevance of wee owls at your peril.

Too late as IB firmly self chucked under the rather large bus.

from herald
12:37pm
Dr Searle says she was concerned for Dr Upton and when she heard about Dr Elspeth Pitt's email sharing details.
Dr Searle says she did not receive that email until Dec 29. And read it along with an email from Dr Upton, sent at 3.17am on Christmas Day.

JR Email from EP to you and ED, informs you DU had a v upsetting interaction with staff, is v distressed. She reassured Beth was appropriate to let senior colleague know in future. YOu r reaction?
KS - concerned for Beth

Not concerned about getting the facts about the interaction.

Should have looked harder or looked at the haldane ruling as she would have known that he had no right nor the expectation of the right to use the female changing facilities

I think we know very well that the female doctors didn’t want him in theirs, just let the junior staff live with it.

Oh, I’m SO furious - been logged in all morning, and for reasons I can’t understand I’ve been booted out and can’t get in now. Damn damn damn.

Don't be so bloody rude. You don't get to police what we chat about, if you don't like it either scroll on by, read X/Nitter or follow TT's substack.

from Herald
12:40pm
Dr Searle says she was very concerned as she knew this would have been very upsetting for Dr Upton.
She said Ms Peggie telling Dr Upton that they were not a woman was likely harassment incident under NHS Fife's hate policy.

chromosone comment (which SP denies) was upsetting and invasive for DU. Not as upsetting and invasive as having a man in the female changing room I would argue. Even worse without consent.

"hate policy" 🤔

Dr. Upton was also using the changing room extremely early in his social "transition" and wearing scrubs.

Not really any different perceptually than a bloke in a pony tail.

(PS doesn't make a difference to me but fact worth being aware of for TRAs).

will stop posting across herald stuff as TT is more detailed and worried am just filling up thread.....

I see we’re back to ‘don’t recall’, they really should check the carbon monoxide emissions in that hospital, lots of memory loss going on.

That wasn't you humming while microwaving your tunnocks was it?

JR - qu of chromasomes
KS - imagine invasive question, not relevant for colleague to ask
JR - why upsetting for Beth
KS - beth ID as F and Chrom don't matter to her

'CHROMOSOMES DON'T MATTER' - DOCTOR, TRIBUNAL HEARS😁

Ah, the 15 minute hate session.

Oh please keep posting it, it's all helpful!

I just did the same and came back to 6 pages!

Actually I find them really useful as they're easier to read than TT!

As I'm struggling to find a polite response to that post, I'll piggyback off yours.

And also a reminder for anyone who needs it that he didn't have a GRC. So both biologically and legally a man.