NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #36

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35

He doesn't pass at all.

You've phrased that more politely than I was going to say.

I find him very pass-agg. Bloody attention seeker.

And as for Lucy Is Listening... she should be banged up under the rules on communication interception.

from herald
12:31pm
Ms Russell has asked Dr Searle to look a picture of the female changing room in the ED at the Victoria in Kirckaldy.
Asked about her conversation with Dr Upton, Dr Searle says the extent of their discussion was that she knew where it was and that she had used it before in a previous job.

Does Dr Upton know hes a bio male?

Looong pause when JR asks who came up with the suggestion to use the female changing room.

Well it makes more sense to me, but possibly my brain is wired a funny way. Or I've inherited a knack for it from my monoglot Gaeilgeoir ancestors.

But dubious cognitive function.

Sorry, but how is shit like this relevant to the thread? I'm here to try and keep up with what's happening at the tribunal thanks.

She's got her pronouns lined up.
I'm going to hazard a guess this might be one witness who won't make a pronoun slip up.

Do we think NC will ask her if she knows what sex she is?

JR - what discussion with DU about F CR use?
KS - checked knew where was, happy to use it, had used in previous jobs, extent of conv.
JR - who suggested DU use F CR?

KS - Beth use in previous job, happy and comfortable, so I made no other suggestion
JR - recall what you said?
KS - not an in depth conv, asked if happy using, she said yes. I had nothing to add.

So JR steered DrU to the female CR..

tribunal tweets has the detail not in the Herald blog.
If you are not on x, try https://nitter.poast.org/ and look up tribunaltweets

Indeed!

Almost certainly

Then go read tribunal tweets

from herald
12:33pm
Dr Searle says she checked guidance from the EHRC about what room Dr Upton should use. She says she checked to see if NHS Fife had a policy and there was not.
12:32pm
Dr Searle says she never made any other suggestions than Dr Upton using the female changing room.
"It was not an in depth discussion, I asked if she was happy using the female changing room, she said yes. I had nothing else to add."

He testified that he was a biological female earlier in the year

This is me on my best behaviour!

And yet again, no checking that everyone else was ok with it.

Nothing else to add for the 200 women who were also using the space. Absolutely unbelievable levels of indoctrination.

from herald
12:36pm
Ms Russell now asking about the incident on Christmas Eve and Dr Upton's discussion with Dr Searle.
12:35pm
Ms Russell points to an email from Dr Searle to Isla Bumba, the equality lead.
She says she was hoping there would be a trust policy on supporting trans people in the work place.
She says the answer was that there was no policy in place but they were hoping to get one in place.

It's like no one else has a protected characteristic?

Oh, no, that's not right, they do have a protected characteristic - silly old me

seems like she's throwing IB under the bus so far

KS i also looked up EHRC statutory act, as DU ID as F she has every right to use F CR
JR - anything else?
KS - looked for Fife policy, wasn't one

Assumed right to use CR, before checking the law etc.

Ah well as long as DU was happy and comfortable. Who cares what the approx 200 women using the CR thought? No need to ask them!