NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #35

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34

Maybe a request to add ED to the list of wrong-doers. There could be a Part 3, in which case we need emojis for shock, despair, laughter and ‘you have to be effing joking’

That's how I read it. The PMSL could be either of them, but it's a major stretch to say it's mocking DU trans status. "OMG PMSL" seems far more likely to be response to Chris telling them this would happen and them previously not believing it.

After her horrendous behaviour she deserves everything NC can do to show the world what an awful bully she is.

Haha, yes, good point - I don't know what I was thinking!!

KS arriving in court with a stunning & brave smile for the photographer. (my photos are usually delayed, but see @iain_masterton on twitter, steering the tribunal press interest with photography in a way Fife Health Board cannot).

Trump is actually very popular in the US but the mainstream media won't report it. The economy is great, energy is cheap, low inflation, hiring is up, illegals deported, girls' sports single-sex only. The govt made a surplus over tariffs. And the President is supported by a large percentage of black and Hispanic voters.
I think it's a lingering left prejudice to dislike Trump. Go to x to get different news.

I think it's more likely that they're raging hypocrites and in private they know exactly what they're looking at and what to do with their own and someone else's body.

All NC has to do is get her to repeat some of the things she said in the emails, NC doesn't even have to raise her voice - Operation Let KS Speak.

That photo won't look good with the anticipated headlines coming KS's way.

I know. I think I've found the point at which squeamishness starts to kick in. It's visceral, not rational.

Yes. Observers can't join the waiting room unless they have switched off the camera and mic in their settings. Everyone has to enter using the name given in their application, so if anyone were to switch their mic back on again they could be identified and thrown out immediately (and potentially find themselves in contempt of court)

Thanks - it's nice to have a face to put to a name. I'm not watching live, unfortunately.

TT is also tweeting another case today, in case people are interested.

'Kenny McBride is in court today to appeal the outcome of claim of unfair dismissal. Tribunal Tweets has permission to live tweet the proceedings. It is expected to begin at 2 pm today.'

https://x.com/tribunaltweets2

Apparently not. Someone else posted the Instagram link yesterday. It's odd that they both have the same name & have spent 10 years working in the NHS.
I took a look at the LinkedIn profile & I am impressed to see that she spent six years working as an HCA in A&E. She has had some other interesting roles too.

From the same page as the offensive "intersex definition", here's their definition of Transgender (my selected highlights, full definition in image)

https://archive.ph/706yG#selection-613.0-713.42

"What does Transgender mean?
This is a gender identity and/or gender expression.
This can mean someone who identifies differently to what you might expect of the gender they were given at birth (gender identity).
For example: someone may have been registered as female at birth, but they identify as male.
This can also mean someone who dresses or acts differently (gender expression) to what you might expect of the gender they were given at birth.
If you do identify as the gender you were given at birth then you are known as cisgender or cisgendered.
Being transgender has nothing to do with who you find attractive.
You can be transgender and straight (attracted to the same gender), or gay, or lesbian, or queer, or many other identities.
Trans or Trans is a short way of saying transsexual or* transgender.
Transgender is not the same as transsexual.
The word transsexual is not generally used by the transgender community.
It is best to ask what term a person uses."

This can also mean someone who dresses or acts differently (gender expression) to what you might expect of the gender they were given at birth - hey I think we all might fall under their definition, policy protection ahoy! (sorry, forgot, their wasn't a policy - but everyone else was doing it)

Interesting that the example they give is FtM rather than MtF.

Interesting. That's not a Wigan accent I heard yesterday. I thought definitely Yorkshire and possibly Leeds.

Wow, they have drunk deeply from the GI fire hose

KS pic
https://x.com/boswelltoday/status/1947589276410982613

The face of a true believer.

She looks quite self assured and confident there. I wonder if she feels so justified in her actions that today will just fly like a breeze.

I think she looks terrified

This can also mean someone who dresses or acts differently (gender expression) to what you might expect of the gender they were given at birth -

StellaAndCrow hey I think we all might fall under their definition, policy protection ahoy! (sorry, forgot, their wasn't a policy - but everyone else was doing it)

Dammit you're right - by this definition I could be transgender!!
It's interesting it distinguishes between transgender and transsexual, which, given the waffliness of the term 'gender', means that 'transgender' can be anything you want it to be..

Oh how spooky. She's exactly how I imagined her

KS looks cheerful. At least she didn't pull a sickie.😀
Sandie looks very happy.

x.com/iain_masterton/status/1947586719756206337

For some reason her grin reminded me of Muttley.