NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #35

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34

😂😂😂

Sperg & Spegg 😂

Has it started yet? I'm still in the waiting room.

Morning! Chores done, tea made and waiting for the Dark Screen of Anticipation to come to life.

Ditto

FFS - that may be on the NHS Fife website by the end of the day 😂

I finally have a day off, so I can follow in real time, and with KS up today, I think it might be the best possible time.

Please mumsnet bring back the lol emoji. I just spat my tea out at this.

Just been told the hearing is starting in private.

I remember watching something where a person was interviewing Trump supporters at a rally. Many of them were surprisingly pleasant, normal and reasonable sounding. It was hard to square it with their support for Trump, who I abhor. But I guess it's possible to agree with aspects of what someone says without subscribing to every batshit thing, and a lot of people (here in the UK too) are single issue voters.

😂

Clerk said not sure what time as they have started a private session. 😡

He is ruining KS Day!

A message from the clerk that the first part of the hearing will be in private. They don't know how long.

Am trying to picture what this would have looked like

Is a private session ominous?

From TT

NEW TODAY JB - Jim Borwick, KJB computer forensics consultancy

But the evidence being introduced is entirely hearsay - no one has attributed anything to a source that could be checked.

JR and these witnesses could claim just about anything in their testimony as nothing has been attributed to any actual source.

When tested, e.g. claims of racism, even the supposed victim has no recollection of it ever happening

There is also a feeling of over stating issues that may have occurred, if these events were so significant, why were they not high-lighted at the time?

To me this just comes across as mudslinging.

This New York Times article about the permissibility of supporting Trump and how you should deal with relatives who do is unintentionally hilarious and went viral:

https://archive.ph/UJvqJ

Every time someone says sex is a spectrum and nebulous and too complicated to understand and whatnot, I always think how embarrassingly shite in bed they must be. Do they even know what they're trying to achieve? Do they just strip off, stare at their partner and start putting fingers in ears or something like they're trying to work out a circuit on a trial and error basis?

Bloody hell

Is KS squirming away then?

For those of us who have splurged a whole pound in a subscription to the Herald, this delay is the ideal time to catch up on this article
https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/25329964.compared-tommy-robinson---nurses-hit-rcn-gender-ruling/
More nurses speaking out about their experiences of raising GC views.

In a nutshell. 🙌

Likely

Exactly this!
It's so important that women's rights to safety, privacy and dignity are universal to all women, regardless of political views, social views, criminality, ethics etc.

The private session could be to do with KS. Or perhaps there's something happening re the Friday statement. Or something completely different. It's anyone's guess.