Nurse who challenged trans doctor for using female changing rooms is cleared

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An NHS nurse has been cleared of misconduct after challenging a trans doctor who used a female changing room.

Sandie Peggie was accused of misconduct by NHS Fife after questioning the presence of Dr Beth Upton.

Margaret Gribbon, Ms Peggie’s solicitor, said in a statement: “On Tuesday July 14, the evening before the resuming of her tribunal, Sandie Peggie received confirmation from Fife health board that following a disciplinary hearing, none of the gross misconduct allegations against her were upheld.

“This follows a disciplinary hearing on June 25, which considered four gross misconduct allegations: two relating to patient care failures, one of ‘misgendering’ Dr Upton, and one relating to her encounter with Dr Upton in the workplace female-only changing room on Christmas Eve 2023.

“Sandie is relieved and delighted that this 18-month-long internal process has concluded and cleared her of all allegations.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/16/nhs-nurse-cleared-of-misconduct-after-challenging-trans-doc/

Has Upton appeared in court this time round?

No he’s not required to be there, he isn’t the claimant so there’s no real reason for him to be.

I have seen quite a few posters who have used Upton's qualification as a doctor as if that is a qualification that means that Upton should get some sort of special consideration.

If you went to a doctor who declared an established and proven over centuries of science statement as being false based on their own philosophical belief, one that was not based on objective facts and that established fact fundamentally needed to be fully understood for medical diagnosis, why would you think that doctor was suited to practice medicine at all?

And there should be absolutely no special treatment for a male person who is deliberately transgressing female people's boundaries just because 'he is a doctor'. That is the direct opposite of robust safeguarding protocols.

No it doesn't if he is truly that delusional then he is not fit to practice medicine.
If you read his testimony from February you can see that his plan to treat female patients who request same sex care is well thought out (and particularly scary). He plans to go into the room with a vulnerable woman or girl who has requested a female dr to do what is most likely to be an intimate procedure or examination (the reason for most requests) and start treating/examing her whilst lieing about his sex and will only stop if she objects to him personally. That's coersive and predatory and puts far to much responsibility on the vulnerable patient who has already made her requirement for her consent clear a female not a man with lipstick on

"That's coersive and predatory and puts far to much responsibility on the vulnerable patient who has already made her requirement for her consent clear"

This needs to be said over and over.

There is never any excuse for any male person to ignore a patient's request for same sex treatment. It is completely irrelevant whether that male doctor sincerely believes, or not, that they are female.

Bluntly, this is a male person touching a female person without that female person's consent.

I don't think it can be denied or framed in any other way.

I admit I have not been following this case as closely as many on here which may make me more sympathetic to Dr Upton than he deserves. Maybe he deserves to lose his job, I honestly don't know.

I still take issue at him being accused of having the mentality of a rapist. That is a very specific accusation and I think it's an unfair one without proof, no matter what Germaine Greer says. I'm a fan of hers but don't think she gets everything right.

Rape is the wrong word.

It's hard to argue against vouyerism though given he said 'why aren't you changing?'

Have you heard this? Talk about bias. They are still presenting mostly his side

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-story/id1501716010?i=1000717588302

Yes I do think rape is the wrong word and should only be used for what the word actually means so as not to dilute it's meaning.

"I still take issue at him being accused of having the mentality of a rapist."

I believe that the 'mentality of a rapist' refers to the power dynamic and it is referencing consent and boundaries. I don't believe it is intended to be an accusation of being a 'rapist'.

If a male doctor touches a female patient after ignoring that she has not consented at all, that is about power. The female patient has not given consent.

The term was clearly referring to the mentality of a rapist.

What term do you think is applicable for a male person who has expressed their full intention to intimately touch a female patient who has asked specifically for a female health care practitioner and to ignore that patient's lack of consent?

What would be the term you would accept for the attitude and thinking of a male person who would do this?

If Upton genuinely believes he and his penis are biologically female he is not fit to practice medicine in any capacity

This.

nobody has said he is a rapist. But rapists will put their own wants and desires above anything else while doing things to a woman’s body. A man who says he’s a woman (and I don’t believe he genuinely believes he’s a woman, he’s not stupid), and uses that gaslighting to gain access to a woman’s body when she doesn’t want that to happen has the same *mentality”.

That women don’t matter and that his needs and wants trump everything else.

You could use a whole raft of terms for his behaviour from inappropriate to creep to criminal. I expect his actions will be reviewed again after the verdict which is likely to go against him. Maybe he will face punishment for his actions while working as a doctor for the Trust, that is for others to decide whether there is a criminal case to answer or a disciplinary one. It's a tough one for the Trust since they supported him in his actions knowing he was biologically male.

What I don't feel has been established in any of the stuff I have read about the case is that he had intentions to use sexual violence against his female patients including the ones who had requested a female doctor. Thus I wouldn't say he should be accused of having a rapist mentality, though he may be punished for inappropriate or even possibly criminal behaviour.

I’ve seen him giving evidence and your view of him is deeply naive. He’s a manipulative liar, IMO.

Sorry to split hairs again.

Not his 'behaviour', but the motivation and 'mentality' driving that behaviour. The motivation of 'sexual violence' includes the power dynamic of forcing a female to accept a male person's touch through the action of ignoring the lack of consent.

Not his 'behaviour'.

He is absolutely up front about coercing female people to do exactly as he wants them to do. And he has said he will do what he wants to do regardless of someone's consent.

And yes has been already proven to be a manipulative liar. He has lied about being female as just a starting place on that accusation.

Rapist mentality isn't "being a rapist", it's sharing the belief that a woman's consent is irrelevant in the face of what a man wants.

Upton deliberately manufactured lies to punish a woman who said no to him. He deserves to lose his livelihood and be struck off.

He is a disgrace to his profession.

Any man that thinks a woman should be forced to change in front of him, and is in fact harassing him if she refuses, and who thinks they should be allowed to give care to a woman who has requested a woman isn't fit to be a doctor.

Regardless of the reasons why Upton thinks he should have that right he should lose his job.

His mentality in believing he's a woman and issues around that should be taken into consideration when decisions are made if he should be facing criminal charges for his behaviour and accounts.

But he should have no place working as a doctor regardless if it's ego or mental health that's made him believe he has the right to disregard consent.

Just his emotional manipulation during his testimony was a sight to behold. It was very useful to see it.

I can accept that he may well be a manipulative liar if you say so as you have been following the case far more closely than me.

But that's not the same as what I was specifically objecting to which is that he gets labelled as having a "rapist mentality".

I know that doesn't literally mean he's a rapist but I don't think this particular term should be used as it's blurring the lines between what he is guilt of and what someone with an actual rapist mentality would have, which is the desire to use sexual violence against women.

I didn't accuse Beth Upton of rape, or of wanting to rape.

However, an expectation that nonconsenting persons must participate in activities such as undressing in the presence of Beth Upton, for the benefit of Beth Upton, is definitely something Beth Upton has done, and is on the same spectrum of male-supremacist actions as rape. It requires the same mentality of seeing a person as a thing to exert power over for ones own gratification

I'd rather they just said a straight up "No" to him. "No. You are wrong. The law is quite clear on this. You are a man, no matter what you describe yourself as. Your wishes do not over-ride women's rights to privacy, digital and safety. Now piss off."

Or even women's rights to privacy, dignity and safety.

Happy to agree to disagree on this topic so the thread can move on.