Violent trans rights protest in Manchester.

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This happened 2 weeks ago but I only found out about it when Mr.Menno uploaded a video yesterday.
A few local YouTubers were there and got plenty of footage. Notably they were all quite shocked at how aggressive the TRA's were. Well the ones who weren't familiar with the way they operate.
They didn't just stick to marching through the streets. They invaded the Arndale Centre and marched shouting and swearing while rather bemused looking people were shopping and trying to enjoy their day.
Things turned violent as usual. Two young lesbians got punched and dragged to the floor.
I've linked to a video by Billy Moore who generally goes around filming the city and talking to homeless people and so on. It's quite long but the trans stuff starts around the 15 minute.mark if anyone's interested.

So ironic to see allies bleating on about how trans are the most marginalised and vulnerable and have had their dignity and rights taken away, while the delicate flowers are being filmed acting violently and attacking women (and men).

But carry on lads. People need to see more of this.

@Helleofabore that is pretty much what I wanted/have been trying to say but you have put it clearly. Thank you

I think we are getting a range of issues now. I agree.

However, there really is a difference between someone who is standing back but using zoom functions and recording and someone who is in people’s personal space. Those who are deliberately up close can be said to be there provoking reaction vs those who are recording but are then brigaded.

In saying all that though, again the differences in reaction when one of these auditors is close up to the women who are there to listen and speak about women’s rights still don’t react in the same way as those aggressive protestors. The difference is remarkable. And it is consistent.

Exactly. There is a youtuber from Nottingham who was invited by LWS to view and film their event. They wanted it to be recorded and engage with him. He really didn't have a clue and ended up approaching the TRA side by mistake.
As soon as they realised he wasn't one of them (he wasn't against either, he was completely neutral as he didn't even know anything about either protest - just that it was 'something about rights') they turned against him and got incredibly violent. The police attended.
The women never behave in this way

Agree. These YouTubers are an embarrassment.

So - are you saying that TRAs and trans people are two completely separate groups? If so it might be the first time in history that advocacy for a group has come only from those not in that group…

if not (and we know there is overlap) then it is valid to say that many TRAs are also in the trans group…

the irony being pointed out that there is a claim being made in video that trans people are ‘delicate flowers’ while at a protest where they are clearly showing anything but!

this is yet another issue to be challenged - the deliberate lies to distort the truth… on the one hand make loud claims of minority (accurate) / vulnerability (while physically and verbally attacking others including death threats) / ‘literally suicidal’ (despite literally not being suicidal!) / oppressed (while being the oppressor)… while on the other hand every action showing the absolute opposite

as others have said - if this is not the habit of trans people then where are those criticising it?

as a man I am happy to stand up and say not in my name - they may be men, but they don’t speak for all men, nor is what they do something of which any man would be proud

Quite. This is NAMALTing.

It's like 'oh but you can't keep men out of women's toilets because what if you accidentally questioned some poor woman who looks a bit masculine' which is trying to manipulate women for men's benefit by leveraging their concern for other women and desire to be nice.

Fuck this. Fuck it completely.

At this point the TQ movement had less blotted their copybook than peed on it and set it on fire. Any bridge building with women is now going to have to come entirely from this apparently vast population of women-friendly reasonable TQ people.

But I repeat, again, all the TQ people I know, who are not peeing everywhere and screaming obscenities at random shoppers for no apparent reason, all absolutely believe in the entitlements, the harm, the violence, the primacy, they are cheering it on. It IS in their name. This is what the TQ movement is.

It was even more ironic than that. From what the Nottingham YouTuber said about who invited him, it sounded like it was the TRA women at Nottingham Women's Aid (?) who contacted him out of the blue, suggesting that he come along to film them protesting the LWS event.

I am happy to be corrected but that is what I took from what the Nottingham YouTuber said.

I also find it very hard to imagine that LWS invited him to record the event. LWS events are set up to be live-streamed by KJK, direct to YouTube with one camera and direct to Twitter/X with another camera. They do not need to invite independent YouTubers to record the events on their behalf, although they do sometimes turn up.

Whatever, as PP have mentioned, the main things of note here are not how random YouTubers and sometimes "auditors" conduct themselves at events but

• how those who are being filmed react (comparing women's rights activists to TRAs) and
• the fact that otherwise there would be no public record at all or only a mainstream media propaganda version.

The "Laughing Auditor" has been wrongly criticised for seeking out "click bait" after he accidentally stumbled across the protest outside the building where the Lesbian Project was being launched. That was an unexpected baptism of fire for him and he has subsequently attended events where he expects to film more Men in Frocks Behaving Exceptionally Badly.

I honestly do not understand why the YouTubers and "auditors" are being blamed for the bad behaviour of people who have a habit of launching unprovoked attacks on women and innocent bystanders.

The YouTubers go all around the country filming and talking to random people on the streets without incident. It is no wonder that they are shocked when confronted with the naked aggression, harassment, obstruction and unhinged behaviour of TRAs.

IMHO at least part of the reason for TRAs behaving so badly at these events is that TRAs have taken over Anarchist and Antifa groups while "Anti-Racism" groups that are a front for the SWP have taken both them and free-floating TRAs under their wing.

Hence the paranoia, mask-wearing, self-righteous omnicause sloganeering (eg. Free Palestine and Trans Liberation in the same breath); mainly male crowds with a smattering of female Anarchist "cis allies" promoting "sex work" alongside representatives of "inclusive intersectional feminist" rape crisis services for "all women"; "Anti-Racist" groups organising the protests against the protests against "Drag Queen Story Hour" events, etc. etc.

There is a lot of fighting talk along with the usual suicide scare-mongering and genocide hyperbole in polemics published under the rubrics of "Tranarchy", "Trans Anarchism", "Trans Anarcho-Communism", etc. It is possible that the minority of those attending TRA rallies and protests who are violent, paranoid and obstructive might be driven as much by extremist political indoctrination as wrong-sex hormones and/or mental instability.

All trans people are lying, though. They are pretending to be members of the opposite sex and invading the opposite sex spaces etc.This causes women (including TiF) great harm. And women at LWS or other meetings, demos or rallies do not behave in an aggressive manner in any way at all. Unlike TRAs.
Interesting to watch was the number of allies being asked what rights trans people had lost, and not being able to answer except 'all of them' or 'lots of them'. Since no rights have been lost at all this was very instructive - groupthink and indoctrination.

We have had this conversation before as well on here.
Trans people by and large are not "lying" in their heads. The vast majority believe sincerely that they have the soul or essence of the sex that their body is not.

You might think this is a mental disorder, an abberation, brainwashing, a cult, you might disagree with their thoughts and feelings.

But the vast majority of trans people (especially the young, vulnerable ones) are not deliberately lying when they say that they believe they are the other gender.

Whats going on in their heads is irrelevant, if they know they are trans because if they do, they know their gender identity isn't the same as their birth sex and the law has been clear about this.

They therefore make a clear choice to ignore the law.

Why were the two lesbians going to the front and getting in the crowd when they clearly didn't agree with the protest. One had a body cam on. It's almost like looking for trouble. Seems weird to mr

They weren't getting in the crowd. The crowd surrounded them. It's a common TRA tactic, surround and kettle people them complain about them being violent and invading TRA space.

I know very different people to you then and I'm sorry you have unpleasant people in your life. If you take any group of group of people though there will always be the unpleasant ones, racists etc etc. There are plenty of white people who are racist and bigoted, doesn't mean I am just because I'm white. You could literally apply it to just about any group in society and there will always be the trouble makers, football hooligans for example. So many many different examples and they shouldn't mean everyone else is tarred with the same brush

They are not ' mythical' I know quite a number of trans people and none of them are like these people that are being described.

But why did they even get in amongst them? Surely they could have just filmed from the side.

So in other words trans people don't exist, the end, nothing more to talk about

They didn't get amongst them the TRAs surrounded them. It's a common tactic swarm and surround people then start shouting that they are attacking when they really just trying to get away

But feelings are unverifiable. It's in their heads. We are not (thank the Lord) mind readers so cannot tell whether someone is a true believer or not. So we have to go on objective facts. And the facts are that you cannot be born in the wrong body and that your identified sex at birth is your sex - gender is something made up and men can go round in frocks as they like but if they do they must take the consequences, one of which is having a problem of where to pee (but, unlike women, they can always go behind a tree).

It's also been said on here that many of the TRA's are not even trans so you can't have it both ways.

???!!!

Suspect that doesn’t mean what you think it does! Read what I said!

No she said that many of the people at the protest are allies and don't claim to be trans themselves.

Some of the allies are the worst TRAs for extremist positions.

See Jolyon for example. Another would be Suzie Green. Or try the Webberleys.

They were punched and kicked, why are they being described as violent?

People who believe they are trans (on a scale from fully delusional to pretending for nefarious purposes) - they exist.

people who are actually trans (ie have moved in any way shape or form between being a man and a woman - or v.v.) - nope, not biologically possible to transition even a little bit - so they don’t exist

born a man - always 100% a man
born a woman - always 100% a woman

adding breasts / removing breasts / mutilating genitalia / taking hormones / changing name / choosing pronouns / getting a GRC / telling everyone you are now the opposite sex / wearing a skirt (or not wearing a skirt) / changing how you talk / which loos you use / court cases / political lobbying / etc… none of it changes your sex

it really is as simple as sex is immutable - therefore will never change - therefore it is not possible for any human to be trans.

but in reality, none of this debate is about whether trans people exist - we all know that they don’t / can’t - it is why they call themselves transwomen or transmen, it is because they know that they are not and never will be the other sex. Even those who feel most strongly that they identify with the opposite sex know that they are not actually the opposite sex.

the debate is about misogyny / abuse / aggression / suppression / devaluing women to boost the morale of men etc

If a trans person truly believes they are the opposite sex, or can change sex, they are by definition not accepting of reality. We'd call this delusion.

If a trans person understands they are one biological sex, but wishes to try to pretend to be the opposite sex, they are by definition trying to deceive people. We'd call this lying.

It's one or the other.

I've just rewatched it and the billboard man and the lesbian with dreadlocks go right up to the front, then the hoody lesbian is getting in and amongst them. Why do that? There's a lot of pushing and shoving going on but they definitely put themselves in there.