Violent trans rights protest in Manchester.

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This happened 2 weeks ago but I only found out about it when Mr.Menno uploaded a video yesterday.
A few local YouTubers were there and got plenty of footage. Notably they were all quite shocked at how aggressive the TRA's were. Well the ones who weren't familiar with the way they operate.
They didn't just stick to marching through the streets. They invaded the Arndale Centre and marched shouting and swearing while rather bemused looking people were shopping and trying to enjoy their day.
Things turned violent as usual. Two young lesbians got punched and dragged to the floor.
I've linked to a video by Billy Moore who generally goes around filming the city and talking to homeless people and so on. It's quite long but the trans stuff starts around the 15 minute.mark if anyone's interested.

So ironic to see allies bleating on about how trans are the most marginalised and vulnerable and have had their dignity and rights taken away, while the delicate flowers are being filmed acting violently and attacking women (and men).

But carry on lads. People need to see more of this.

The irony of the chanting "there are many many more of us than you" was not lost on me.

Exactly this ^^

The 'few bad apples' card has been played out, and it didn't work well years ago.

Find any trans organisation or agency with a social media account, that has ever in the last 15 years put out the messages

Not in our name
We absolutely do not condone this behaviour
this is unacceptable
they do not speak for us.

If you can find it please share it. I'm afraid the lovely quiet person who lives without supporting this anti-women lunatic mob is rather like the mythical fraudulent, fully transitioned accountant who was the reason why all men with trans identities should be in women's prisons - because never mind the many rapists and sex offenders and violent thugs who were getting in, if you stopped them you might accidentally shut out the one virtuous good man who should be in a woman's space.

He doesn't exist. And there is no voice or evidence to say that there is any other trans view or behaviour than this. Including on this anonymous forum where they would be very able to quietly slip in and join the conversation. I know several who wouldn't turn out and shout and be antisocial themselves but absolutely love watching the mob do it and cheer them on. So trying to leverage women's guilt into stopping pointing out the very obvious atrocious anti social behaviour? Just turns into yet more anti-womaning and control in the name of trans.

And yes, the bandwagon has definitely attracted the omnicause 'fuck knows what this is about but if I get to stomp around shouting and swearing in a mob I'm in!' ones. This is becoming a movement for the antisocial disaffected. Which says a lot.

You call it "dehumanisation & radicalisation" - I call it raising awareness and saying what transactivists and their allies forbid us to speak about.

Those "quietly living their lives" have profited from a society that has given the rights of women & girls to single sex changing rooms, hospital wards and sports to trans identifying men. Have gaslit children in the name of trans selling the "sex change is desirable" causing massive harm to them. Have accessed millions of ££ of "gender affirming care" from the NHS - despite being trans apparently not being an illness. The social contract has been upended with the legitimate language of women used in society including maternity care, policies, medicine, charities all deemed transphobic and required to be erased. The cost to society has been immense.

Calling what women speak about on here "radicalisation" is just another attempt to silence questioning, analysis and discussion. Surely your attention would be better focussed on the trans lobby trying to silence discussion in a democratic society rather than women on here trying to expose harm and corruption? Because remember it's not just those in that sad Manchester procession who silence - this an immensely powerful lobby in society and they've all signed up to the word woman being transphobic - which is why we're in this mess.

I know it's easier to moan about women on here - but we're not the problem.
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That march looked to me like a whole bunch of people with all different reasons for marching, most of it attention seeking and aggressive.

And yes, the guy, meatloaf, was high as a kite shouting his head off, and jostling women.

I've never seen the man filming before, Billy, but his oft repeated, it's just guys that want to get into the birds' toilet, is, I strongly suspect, what the general public and non-marchers were thinking.

The TRAs certainly didn't look to me as though they were winning hearts and minds. Quite the opposite.

I wish TRAs would bog off. They are immensely unhelpful.

Understatement of the decade🏆

I suspect it is very uncomfortable for some people to accept that they benefit from the extreme demands made by those extreme transgender rights activists. Yet, this is the indisputable fact for any male person who accesses even one of the provisions that should be female single sex only.

It is also the case for organisations who have a policy that demands that one group's language demands that suit their philosophical belief is to be prioritised over anyone's objection or anyone's belief that is contradiction to that group's demands. Such as pronoun usage.

It is mightily convenient for some people to denounce the actions of the extreme activists and while I understand the reluctance to get involved, if someone is benefitting from those activists work, I think that they too need to accept their part in what has happened to the rights of women and children in their name, so to speak.

I liked Mr Menno's video - in particular the two Lesbians who, in real time, discovered they are TERFs.

The aggression is palpable. But. Let them speak. It's working well.

I do think that trans people "just existing" shouldn't have to specifically say they disagree with attacking women or throwing piss or be assumed to be radical.

sorry to say we are now beyond that. If trans people don't speak up, they are in with the TRAs whether they like it or not.
Interesting to see that this divides the TRAs and trans people into "tru trans" and TRAs. And now the "tru trans" are getting the same feelings about this movement that a lot of lesbians and gays have been feeling for some time now: the TRAs have pushed far too hard and have now alienated people against them who would normally be allies. And because of the insistance of lumping the LGB in with the TQ+ - nobody from outside can tell who the TRAs are and who aren't.

I was at a CSD event the other day. Because i am really worried that the backlash against the TRAs will lead to restrictions on the lives of LGB people. I don't want, as i have said elsewhere, to have to get out my placards and attend demos about legalising same sex marriage. I've done that already.

Yes, that was very interesting. They seem to have come to that conclusion without being on any terfy sites like Mumsnet.

And Mr Menno's video at the end was quite enlightening, too. He encountered a furry meeting a few streets away and stopped to ask questions.

The men said they just like to adopt the perceived personas of different animals, and actually, to be honest, mate, we've raised a ton of money for charity.

The 'this is not a fetish' constraint was so tight, I'm surprised they didn't asphyxiate themselves with it.

It's farcical, really. Even while the guy was confirming that yes it's just a form of escapism, another guy in a mask is leading a young man, in make up, and a harness, through the crowd 😆

I know it's easier to moan about women on here - but we're not the problem.
It's over there ➡➡

...where one risks getting downvoted into oblivion, or more likely, banned. Says it all.

The belief that ‘it is not all trans people - most just want to live a quiet life’ is a difficult one to support now.

The simple reality is that you can not change or transition sex or gender… therefore there is technically no such thing as someone who is transgender.

Instead you have to understand what groups exist under that convenient umbrella (remember that words have been kidnapped and had their meanings changed to support fallacious philosophies), and there are three primary groups (using men as the example):

• those who feel that there is a mismatch between their identity and their body - the bloke who feels that wearing a dress is a better expression of self
• those who claim that they have actually changed sex - living a life of lies and with the intention of gaining access to women’s spaces
• those who believe that they can change sex and that this will fix their body dysmorphia…

ideally we would allow the first - confirming the right of all men to expand definitions of their sex / gender… we would close down the second group as fast as possible, and we would support the needs of the third group in helping them deal with their mental illness

the problem we have is that the agenda is being driven by that second group, they drive the violence, they have driven attempts to change society and law, they don’t care about the other two groups esp. not that group three need mental health work not body mutilation and hormones

so we need to reframe society

• remind that trans xyz doesn’t exist
• acknowledge that there are those with lifestyle choices and mental health needs to be addressed (but men remain men)
• protect the vulnerable
• etc

none of that involves supporting a trans ideology - supporting lies is a misguided approach…

Wholly agree.

They also benefit from the absolute fear of institutions and establishment organisations to provoke these activists and be punished by their often terrible behaviour.

It is so much easier to just go on harming and oppressing women, who don't scream and pee outside your doors, threaten to kill you and your family, try to get you sacked, launch enormous and threatening and damaging social media campaigns.... as on another thread today, the behaviour is so bad that it is honestly seen as better to spend two years and the horrific expense and humiliation of a loss in court to a woman who has quietly and civilly gone through due process than face that.

It's a classic safeguarding fail and a very serious weak spot in all the establishment personel: the fear to do the right thing and withstand never mind deal effectively with the behaviour of difficult, high demand, high control, emotionally and behaviourally incontinent and unstable people.

I have no sympathy though: this behaviour should never have been indulged and enabled and permitted to escalate in the first place. It means there is two tier treatment and the law abiding and socially appropriate are punished to placate the difficult.

' He doesn't exist'

From reading these boards I gather quite a few people have trans relatives and children. Are they all violent TRA's? I think the answer would probably be no. There are far more trans people just quietly getting on with their lives who don't want to get involved in any of this and why should they. But it seems like all trans people are branded TRA's. It's so ridiculous when you think about your trans friends and relatives. Multiply all those quiet friends and relatives and it's the vast majority.

Sorry quote fail

In the same way all women who do not buy into gender ideology are labelled 'TERFS'

Regardless of whether some people adopt a trans identity...they remain the sex they are. That is the point. Another point is that whilst many may just want to " quietly get on with their lives" a good number more insist that they must have access to facilities and services put aside for women and girls. This is a problem.

People quietly going about their lives is ideal....nobody has any issue with people identifying however they like - so long as they do not expect special treatment. Pronouns etc are part of a private belief system and this should not be imposed upon others. Pronouns can be negotiated privately with loved ones, family and friends.

The minute someone expects pronouns and access to facilities designated for the opposite sex they are no longer quietly going about anything; they are engaging with a radical ideology and the demands that go with it.

We should never have closed down the mental asylums.

As I said: I have several trans friends. They would none of them engage themselves in mob antisocial behaviour.

They are however actively approving of it, and cheer it on on social media. They feel it is absolutely justified and enjoy benefitting as pps have described.

Where are the voices of this 'silent majority' who apparently disagree when all this happens in their name? What responsibilities do they have here? Where is the evidence of disagreement?

Otherwise women are again being asked to modify their behaviour 'in case' and take on the responsibility that excuses and lifts it off others. While suffering the effects.

"But it seems like all trans people are branded TRA's. It's so ridiculous when you think about your trans friends and relatives. Multiply all those quiet friends and relatives and it's the vast majority."

How many are using single sex provisions, or benefitting from the organisational policies that those extremists have, for the moment, gained for them? I consider anyone who uses those provisions and derives benefit from the policies to be actively involved in the prioritisation of these additional privileges that they have gained over other group's needs.

Can you logically argue how they are not actively involved if they are utilising these gains, just because they were not part of the aggressive extreme activism that gained them?

They are not standing up and saying "not in my name" and we have given them ample support and opportunity to do so.

They either don't care, because it benefits them, or they let women take the rap and all the consequences of doing so. So, frankly, i am now at the "fuck them" stage.

As we saw with Rachel Reeves yesterday, when a man is a twat, it's just him. But when a woman shows a bit of emotion "all women are too emotional for the big jobs"

That is the lot of women. We are all witches and awful and need to be subdued and talked over all the time.

The trans people in my life don't use women's spaces, awards or sports. They do wear women's clothes, if there is such a thing. They do benefit from the organisational policy of it not being ok to scream at them in the street, sack them from a job, or deny them housing on the grounds of them being trans.

When suffragettes first gained the vote for women and all women were allowed to vote, would you argue that all those women who then did vote were in fact retrospectively actively involved in the prioritisation of these "privileges" (that I would call rights)? They benefitted, sure, but that's different from being actively involved.

After all as the recent ruling has clarified, trans people never had other rights except the right not to be discriminated against for being trans.

From Mr Menno's interview this is Steve James aka "Edge of the Matrix" not Billboard Chris who is in Australia doing something similar. Steve has been going round the country with his signs so infuriating TRAs by being calm & reasonable that he has been assaulted on several occasions. His assailants will be appearing in court in due course.

https://www.youtube.com/@edgeofthematrix

The right to vote is not the same as the right to decimate women's dignity privacy and safety.

If trans people agree with the results of these activists, then they're complicit.

These men aren't marching in order to be allowed to wear women's clothes. They're marching to decimate women's rights. And will use violence and aggression to do so.

And trans people 'just getting on with their lives' covers a multitude of different reasons. From a cross-dresser wearing knickers to work, to a troubled child being told they're not gay, they're trans.

The very concept of transgenderism relies on sexism and is deeply homophobic. It's certainly little wonder to me that there aren't lots of trans people standing up and condemning these activists.

Why would they?

So, men who are pushing boundaries in clothing and helping to show that we don’t need gender stereotypes… awesome - no-one has any issue with that…

however, as has been shown on here so many times, if they are also:

• calling themselves transwomen (no such thing)
• calling themselves women (men can’t be women)
• claiming that they have changed sex (not possible)
• have changed their name to suggest any of the above (deception)
• have changed their pronouns to suggest any of the above (deception)
• have ever encouraged others esp. the vulnerable or children, to believe that they are in the wrong body etc. (deception and potentially abuse / safeguarding issue)
• have stood by while others in their name have aggressively attacked women / single sex spaces etc (passive participation)
• etc

then they are culpable…

no-one cares about men wearing skirts - the Scottish do it as do other cultures around the world… but that is not the pattern we are seeing in the UK

the minute anyone calls themselves trans then they are a part of the deception and the current pattern of threat against women - there is no such thing biologically or socially as transitioning - however you behave, whatever you say, whatever you believe - a man always remains a man both in sex and gender. So to claim to be trans has to include an element of deceit somewhere whether it is the individual fooling themselves or attempting to deceive others…

and despite your attempt to suggest that trans people are threatened, the evidence shows a massive opposite reality with women being fired and abused and threatened because they simply state biological reality and truth…

sure, anyone is allowed to play out their delusions or fantasies, but they are not allowed to affect others and that is always a consequence of anyone who claims to be what is not possible - trans.

I have to agree. The sheer number of people with body cams or with phones out was shocking. It looked like everyone was spoiling for a fight tbh. I watched part of with the sound off and I couldn't tell for the life of me who was protesting for what.

You don't turn up to a march with a body cam on if you aren't looking for full on drama and to antagonise. It's very different dynamic to going to a march innocently and then getting your phone out because someone starts on you.