Mumsnet Obsession With Penises

[Manfreglory]

My controversial opinion is that most of the Mums who obsess here over penises, uteruses and chromosomes, would pick more important and interesting topics if their own child was trans.

Exactly.

Why are you bringing gay men into this discussion?
Tell me: how do I (or more importantly for me my daughter) tell if a man who is coming into a female only space is a transwoman or a predatory man or both?

Did this make sense in your head?

God this is dumb.

excellent non sequitur that makes no sense whatsoever

<chef's kiss>

I'm sure paedophiles are devastated at being excluded from all those spaces for gay men. oh hang on, that's not a thing

Can't tell a straight man, )or a woman for that matter) from a paedophile either.

And yes, I know female paedophiles are rare. But they do exist.

Incidently, I've knowingly met 4 paedophiles in my life. All were straight men. One was a father.

I was raped by a trans woman.
is it ok with you now @Manfreglory if I think trans women can be rapists? Because they ARE MEN!

Yes and being gay presumably.

so someone like the trans identifying man who got his cock out in a room full of women at Wii Spa is a sex offender? That's definitely what I think, but I'm surprised it's what you think

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi_Spa_controversy

You do realise it’s not just about toilets? It’s prisons, women’s refuge shelters, changing Rooms, hospital wards, men taking women’s places in sport and many other things.

Also the “loophole” sexual predators use to be in women’s spaces by claiming to be a woman also.

Why are you blaming JK Rowling? Other women speak up about this as well.

Women are capable of thinking for ourselves

How do you tell a gay man from a paedophile. You don't - but that does not mean gay men are paedophiles.

When applying safeguards to protect children from paedophiles we apply them equally to all men whether they are gay or straight because some gay.men are paedophiles.

When applying safeguards so protect women against male sexual violence we should apply those safeguards to all men equally whether they identify as men or not because some men who identify as women are rapists

I'm sorry a trans woman raped you and I believe you. I just don't see why that justifies forcing the 99.99% of non-rapist trans women to use men' loos where they are about 1000 times more likely to be raped than any average woman.

The Darlington nurses didn't consent to seeing "Rose's" penis in the women's changing rooms at their workplace.

The women and girls at the female only WiSpa didn't consent to seeing a trans woman's penis.

Katie Dolatowski's pre-teen victim in the women's toilets in Morrisons didn't consent to seeing his penis.

The female prisoners didn't consent to seeing Karen White's penis in the female prison estate.

Lia Thomas's female teammates didn't consent to seeing his penis in their communal showers.

Members of the public in Teesside did not consent to seeing Chloe Thompson's penis while they were going about their daily business.

Trans women being in women only spaces results in a lot of unconsenting women being exposed to penises they don't want to see.

Then start a campaign for a third space, this isn’t women’s issue to solve.

Because they are men.

And we will need to see the stats showing that they are "1000 times more likely to be raped than any average woman", pronto.

Well thank you for actually trying to have a conversation about this.

The majority of transwomen are not dangerous, are not a problem, and are not going to attack anyone.

The majority of men are not dangerous, are not a problem, and are not going to attack anyone.

A transwomen-inclusive womens space is for "all women and any male who wants to enter" - whatever rules apply for transwomen also apply to the men that have no dysphoria but who have spotted an opportunity. There is no legal means to differentiate between a male with a trans identy and a male without. And even if there was, it wouldn't be meaningful to so so. Single sex facilities do not exist because of differences in subjective gender identity but because of differences in tangible physical reality.

Of course evil people will still transgress boundaries wherever those boundaries are. It's ridiculous to suggest we should therefore have no boundaries. If we can firnly keep the definitions of where those boundaries are, it's instantly obvious that if a male person is there, they are not a good person. If we cannot define the boundary by biology, we have to assume that any male in there is probably fine and shouldn't be challenged, and then that is no different from a fully mixed-sex space and you might as well abolish all rights for women to have separate facilities (which would be extremely sexist)

I'm not really sure why I'm bothering with this claptrap but here we go.....

1. Yes, there are some predatory women but the cold, hard facts show that they're nowhere near as common as men. Also, women would stand a chance of fighting off another woman if they had to because they're on the same biological scale. Pound for pound, men are circa 20% stronger - and that doesn't take into account the fact they're typically bigger, more muscular, have longer arms, bigger hands etc, all of which means they have a huge physical advantage over women. If they want to hurt us, it's extremely hard to stop them.

2. Trans women are men, correct. I prefer to refer to them as trans identifying men. They aren't women.

3. We centre lots - but not all - of our anger at trans identifying men aka trans women because they're the ones trying to force themselves into our single sex spaces where we are vulnerable. There are other rapey men, plenty of them unfortunately, but they don't get free access to our changing rooms, hospital wards, toilets, domestic refuges. The men with a trans identity get access to all of those - and we have no idea whether they plan on hurting us.

4. Your lot say that self-ID is all that's needed so if a rapist wears a dress and says he's a woman, that means he's a woman according to gender ideology. Calling him a man in a dress is transphobic in the extreme, tut tut. You can't pick and choose when people are allowed to have a trans gender identity and when it's apparently not the real thing. See also point number 3 - how the living fuck are we supposed to know which are the nice type of trans identifying men and which are the fake trans identifying men who want to rape us? I'll give you a hint: we don't. Also, research done on trans identifying men in prison shows that at least half of them are either sexual offenders or violent Category A prisoners. And these are the people you seem to be suggesting should have access to women while they're at the most vulnerable?

5. I'll swap you your outdated 19th century story of black people being referred to as "not human" for the current model of women being described as "non-men". Example, John Hopkins University reference to lesbians as "non-men". We apparently don't exist in our own right, only in our proximity to the males of our species.

6. Not all of us are fond of penises. Even fewer "talk so fondly" about them. But please, don't let us stop you fantasising.

Woman is not something you can identity into and we deserve respect, safety, and a voice. Men - as a collective - have always tried to shut us down, deny us our rights, and refuse to give us equality - and thus it continues. Obviously NAMALT. Many are though.

Only women's language and women's rights are being affected by trans ideology. It just provides even more opportunities for us to be harmed - and this this happening.

I saw a badge today and it said "Same shit, different century" and I honestly can't sum it up better than that.

Men are 1000 times more likely to rape another man, than a woman?

source please.

see, entertaining lunacy

I knew the OP wouldn't let me down

I see we're back to threads being moved to the naughty corner

I think the source for that statistic is the OP's bumhole.

bringing back my own laugh emoji for this

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lol you silly arse of course theyre not

btw I’m not a mummy so am I allowed to be obsessed by penis?

yeah, i wondered how long this thread would be tolerated in the wild. turns out the answer is 1 hour and 49 minutes

welcome to the hive of scum and villainy that is FWR OP

Oh god have we not suffered enough with our resident insect visitor