Flags removed ahead of Pride event = hate crime?

[Windy23]

Not sure how to feel about this. I don't agree with someone taking the flags down but is it really a hate crime?

BBC News - Hate crime probe after Arran Pride flags removed
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgq3ekyjeveo

Maybe unknowingly but you are promoting an ideology that denies the existence of sexual orientation. Which would be against your interests if you are lesbian or gay.

The trans lobby call for violence against women. Do you support them doing that?

Hostility and hatred at a group must be so high if the most pressing issue is the removal of a Pride flag.

Police (in London?) investigated a rainbow zebra crossing because the skid marks from tyres were deemed to be hateful. The same police force had to send their horses to diversity training to be able to deal with the crossings.

And yet real homophobic hate crime (involving violence) goes uninvestigated.

If your particular group are happy to have their legal definition and protections removed then I’m sure you’d be very welcome at Prude. Some Pride organisations have explicitly stated they wish to exclude ‘LGB views’.

It started several years ago with a man who identifies as a woman Munroe Bergdorf having a group of lesbians wearing ‘pussy’ hats removed because it was ‘exclusionary’ to ‘lesbians’ with a penis. Many gay men and lesbians have since been physically attacked or excluded from Pride by trans activists.

Why would you support a group that does that?

I have read posts describing trans people as sexually deviant and motivated by fetish, mentally ill, criminal.

It is a fact that some do have a fetish. They even post themselves 'half mast' in womens clothes. Or dressing as babies with a dummy in their mouth (if you don't believe me I can post 2 photos). Some of these people are. That's an ascertained fact. And by their own words. Are you calling them liars?

I have seen posts dedicated to collating crimes that individual trans people have committed.

Because people like you say it 'nEvaH haPpeNs'. You deny that even one trans person could ever have ulterior motives or commit a crime. You make a Sacred Caste out of them. So we do this, to prove they are fallible humans like anyone else.

I don't recall KJK making the statement where she has formally called on ALL landlords and employers to refuse housing and employment to them. She stated she wouldn't, herself. That's her opinion only.

Exactly. It proves that NO man is safe for us in ladies spaces, even those fully intact males who label themselves 'women'. A male is a male is a male. And their propensity towards violence and sexual assault doesn't change just because they re-badge themselves as women, as we've seen all too often and all too clearly. People like suggestionsplease don't like it when we show that a male is a male is a male and thinks and acts like a male. Even in a dress. It's about preserving womens and girls vulnerable safe spaces. From all males. No matter what they're dressed as. Because NO MALE can be trusted. And those that lie about themselves and misrepresent themselves are the ones who can be trusted the very least.

The full entire card is 'you don't want us to eXissssT!!!'.

It's worth me repeating that the reason why people have compiled lists of trans identifying male people who have committed violent crimes is in response to claims that this same self-identifying group of people are harmless, pose no risk to women, and should therefore be treated as an exception to the rule that male people are not allowed in female only spaces.

If people stopped making such absurd claims then we wouldn't need to hurt anyone's feelings by pointing out that they aren't true.

Homophobia and transphobia are interconnected and stem from the same root. They arise from authoritarian attitudes that believe in rigid gender binaries and actions taken to try to enforce that on others.

Gay and trans people often visibly step outside those boundaries, and when people spit at us in the street, tear down our flags, harass us etc, believe me they are not handwringing whether it is transphobia or homophobia that they are acting on.

If you want to tie yourself up in identity riddles that is up to you - the hate is coming to all LGBT people, and it does not bother itself to establish trans, gay, bi identity, it just perceives contravention of binary.

You, and others, are engaged in a process of encouraging vulnerable minorities to turn against each other. We know this, we're not stupid, we have read the 'divide and conquer' tactics, we know the fraudulent narratives that you spin and regurgitate on boards like this, and we stand united against the hate.

You will see thousands upon thousands of lesbians matching in Pride parades this summer.

That is nice AI word salad to say 'I don't believe any oppressed group needs a definition that links them and their cause' so I am going to lie and gaslight, and run away.

Yes they can. Your homophobia was more than obvious in your AI word salad.

Cross dressing men aren't a vulnerable minority.

You are unwilling to define any of these words so it is all just meaningless soup.

100%

Trans ideology is strongly associated with homophobia.

Research Susie Green, former head of Mermaids, who ADMITTED she transed her son as her husband was deeply HOMOPHOBIC and he would not accept a gay son.

Transing the gay away is the sole aim of the trans ideology and in deed and in fact, the Gender Ideology. It is gay conversion therapy by stealth.

If you decide that 'gender' is more important than sex, that is (by its very nature) homophobic - as you are denying people's same sex attraction.

Lesbians in the 1980s were being told to accept men into their dating pool. The same is happening today. Homophobia didn't go away, it just evolved into a new form.

tear down our flags

Flags are not neutral, they are statement of conquest, of victory. Flags are put up to make a statement that they have power. It is a strong form of political messaging. That is why planning permission is needed for flags beyond national flags and a few others - of which the Pride flag is not one. Tearing down flags is a recriprocal message of rejecting that power.

And as you have been told over and over again (and you're still not humiliated by your defeat), CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION. In deed and in fact, because those countries have misogynistic policies, it makes sense they are doing well economically. Suppressing women has that effect.

No one who flies a flag and expects the police to arrest anyone who removes it is marginalised or oppressed - quite the opposite.

Except transwomen score very highly, in terms of rights, in terms of access to health (greater access than females), economically, etc. Adding these males to the female ledger falsely inflates female figures.

But then you know that.

Is it really strange that it is countries where women have the most rights that are the countries where men push for self ID? Do youn think there might be reasons men don’t demand to be treated like women in Afghanistan?

The fact that self-ID is most prevalent in countries where women have been granted human rights simply shows what a luxury belief this is.

Transgenderism is authoritarian.

It tries to ban or prosecute anything it remotely dislikes.

Absolutely this.

The only countries in which men want to be trans women are countries in which women aren't oppressed too badly and trans people aren't oppressed at all.

My son asked me what ‘virtue signalling’ means yesterday and I replied: flag waving. A lot of people just hate having others’ politics shoved in their faces and this has been compounded by anyone arguing for women’s spaces being called bigots.

You, and others, are engaged in a process of encouraging vulnerable minorities to turn against each other. We know this, we're not stupid, we have read the 'divide and conquer' tactics, we know the fraudulent narratives that you spin and regurgitate on boards like this, and we stand united against the hate.

We are not ‘encouraging vulnerable minorities to turn on each other’.

We are pointing out that one not vulnerable minority is actively harming the vulnerable minority. The trans community has ALREADY turned on LGB people and has been causing harm for years. You just can’t see it yet.

The big question is, you presumably (given your stated views) think it was ok for a man who identifies as a woman to run workshops in how to get past the ‘cotton ceiling’ ie. how to rape coerce lesbians to have sex with men. Yet you claim to be a lesbian. What will it take?

"Homophobia and transphobia are interconnected and stem from the same root. They arise from authoritarian attitudes that believe in rigid gender binaries and actions taken to try to enforce that on others."

The trans movement is based on rigid gender binaries. For instance there are many boys who think that because they like "chick flicks" they must be female.

And whilst the idea that transphobia and homophobia were interconnected (essentially homosexual individuals transitioning to the opposite sex), it doesn't work when you have heterosexual males transitioning, and a few decades ago the gay community wanted nothing to do with heterosexual male cross-dressers.