Flags removed ahead of Pride event = hate crime?

[Windy23]

Not sure how to feel about this. I don't agree with someone taking the flags down but is it really a hate crime?

BBC News - Hate crime probe after Arran Pride flags removed
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgq3ekyjeveo

It may be a hate crime. You, or anyone else, have no idea until someone is caught, charged and convicted.

Thanks again, @MissScarletInTheBallroom for elegantly and precisely pointing out what should be blindingly obvious to anyone. Well, anyone who doesn't have an incorrect and homophobic axe to grind. It just occurred to me in passing, however, that there is something a bit sexist about Mumsnet's rather minimal set of "react" emojis. As I read through the thread, and more specifically @suggestionsplease1's asinine contributions to it I found myself constantly wishing for an emoji that signified "this is a load of steaming, duplicitous batshit" rather than just the usual, fairly bland and always positive, four options. There's something very misogynistically reductive about a system which doesn't allow women to express any negativity even when it's manifestly clear that that's the only sane response.

I actually got my definition wrong.

The definition of a lesbian is a female person who is sexually attracted to other female people and not male people.

My initial definition would include heterosexual men/TW.

Yes, the four 'reactions' don't give much choice, although the laughing one has been put to good use by TRA posters in the past to show that they disagree with a post.

I can't even find a bat emoji in the more extensive emoji choices. 'Bull shit' will have to do.
🐂💩

ETA - in reply to CompleteGinasaur's post about the lack of reaction choices.

You’re accusing people of homophobia while refusing to say what the definitions of lesbian and homophobia are, because you know to do so will either:

a) reveal your own homophobia by using a gender ideology definition or
b) have to admit that men can’t be lesbians and undo your own belief system.

So you say you don’t “insist”. But you insist on making sure the homophobia of your ideology stays hidden.

Oops, sorry. Too enraged to read properly..

If anyone’s interested it was the organisers who claimed this was done by ‘an unknown group’. The police made no such claim. https://www.scotland.police.uk/what-s-happening/news/2025/may/officers-on-the-isle-of-arran-are-appealing-for-witnesses-after-pride-decorations-were-removed-overnight/

I’ve been called a bigot,a nazis,a terf(quite proud of that one)a few more insults are water off this old terfs back.😂😂

Haven't RTFT but it depends on what flag it was. Was it the traditional gay pride flag that 99% of the public would support? Or the so-called 'progressive' (coughcough) flag that includes the 'trans' part that is waved at rallies where male trans activists are openly calling for feminists, women and girls to be "punched in the face"?

The first would be a hate crime, imo, at least. The second would be removing a deeply offensive flag akin the the nazi flag that actively, boldly and proudly promotes physical violence against the vulnerable oppressed sex.

"Some lesbians date transwomen"

well yes, when you redefine some straight women as lesbians because their male partners have a trans identity. When you mess with the meaning of words, it does become difficult to convey any information.

As opposed to those misogynists with femphobia who by their support of 'transing the gay away' are the very definition of homophobia.

And where have you seen that? I presume those people were talking about the misogynistic/homophobic section of the pride flag.

Bisexual and trans people, on the other hand….?

You are either extremely naive or deliberately combative.The situation today for lesbians is far worse than it ever was in the 7Os when I and many others campaigned for gay rights.The trans activists openly prevent lesbians from pride parades,they have ruined lesbian clubs by insisting men are allowed to join.You have obviously submitted to the trans cult while throwing your sisters under the bus.You and your ilk have done more damage to lesbian rights and put them in more danger than the homophobia of the past.

If you attend pride in London in July I’m sure you’ll see thousands of lesbians, gay men and bisexual people like me proudly waving the Progress Pride flag. Are we all advocating violence by doing that?

The very same trans people that give rape threats to feminists, that march saying decapitate terfs, that they'll pee where they want, that urinate on feminist statues (even one of Nelson Mandela, like, wtf has Nelson Mandela got to do with feminism?!??), that take pictures of themselves maliciously and vindictively rubbing it in womens faces that they 'marked their territory' in the ladies, and grinning triumphantly, so cause trauma to us?

THOSE trans people? You can keep them. You seem to have the same hate in your heart for the oppressed sex that they do.

Unless of course, those trans people you know are the vanishingly rare few that respect womens sacred safe single sex spaces. However given the level of hatred in your heart for us, somehow I don't think you'd associate with the decent ones.

Short phones are all evil!

To be honest, I'm not particularly impressed with the trans people who have no comment to make about any of that either.

I usually attend Pride with a group of lesbians and bi women and no one has ever tried to exclude them that I’m aware of

Unknowingly then, you are.

But if you know full well that that flag representing trans the gay away and committing physical violence against women - which is exactly what that flag represents, then yes, you are.

It's a Mens Rights movement flag and a homophobic flag. There is no excuse for any decent, warm-blooded, humane human being to wave that hate and violence flag. Ever. Ever.

Almost all of the L, G and B people I know would disagree with you.

Do they condone violence against women and the transing of children then?

There are hundreds of examples like this. https://x.com/Belstaffie/status/1790130910710333519/photo/1

Only 2 years ago a group of lesbians with a lesbian flag where assaulted and hounded out of a parade. Because? ..... They had the LESBIAN PRIDE flag.

Yep. That is the only reason why.

Funnily enough, LGB acceptance had reached such a level by 2015 that Stonewall worried that they were out of a job. That’s why they decided then to focus on all things trans and totally throw LGB under the bus - campaigning for anti LGB law changes (that placed self declared ‘gender’ over sex in sexual orientation thus destroying all LGB legal protection) and as Nancy Kelley famously compared penis rejecting lesbians to racists.

It occurs to me that Stonewall then attempted to line up more work for themselves in the future by harming the public view of LGB by inextricably linking them with the wholly unreasonable and harmful demands of trans? Or is that giving them too much credit for strategic thinking?

Either way, the trans lobby are turbo charged homophobia.

So you admit they agree with homophobia and physical violence against women, then?