Flags removed ahead of Pride event = hate crime?

[Windy23]

Not sure how to feel about this. I don't agree with someone taking the flags down but is it really a hate crime?

BBC News - Hate crime probe after Arran Pride flags removed
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgq3ekyjeveo

If you're talking about transing the gay away then aren't those men attracted to other men, not women? So not calling themselves lesbians.

I call BS. No lesbian wants their oppressed group re-labelled and redefined by having males with cocks in it. It wasn't that long ago lesbians were told they 'just hadn't had the right dick', now we're back to 'lesbians just haven't had the right dick'.

No actual female and/or lesbian would defend this sexist homophobia.

Nor would they suggest putting privileged males on the female ledger increases their countries economy.

Nor would they suggest a male should have the right to expose himself to women and girls in their spaces.

that was to @suggestionsplease1 and @Namechangeforobviousreasons100

What do you think about men running workshops to coerce lesbians into having sex with them? Do you support that? Do you understand why they ran them?

You, and others, are engaged in a process of encouraging vulnerable minorities to turn against each other. We know this, we're not stupid, we have read the 'divide and conquer' tactics, we know the fraudulent narratives that you spin and regurgitate on boards like this, and we stand united against the hate.

The BBC currently have "I kissed a boy" where gay men are expected to date a heterosexual woman who has been injecting testosterone. Lesbians are expected to accept fully bearded men as potential partners. Both things have received a lot of backlash from L and G people, there is no united front.

Put it this way, if I go to a dating event to meet men, I don't want to be meeting a female posing as male. If I go to a dating event to meet women, I don't want to be meeting a male posing as female. Now you would call that division of vulnerable minorities.

The fact that you keep going on about there being a united community who are aware of these "tactics" makes me question who you are. Because those actually inside the LGB community can see that this is a divisive subject.

What about "biology is more complex than GCSE biology"?

and a few decades ago the gay community wanted nothing to do with heterosexual male cross-dressers.

Good point and actually the transsexual groups wanted nothing to do with gay rights - many were quite homophobic.

It was a true forced teaming on both sides by Stonewall.

That word salad just gave me a migraine.

Then you are beyond delusional and deeply, deeply in denial. It is solely the trans ideology that is fuelling a re-emergence of homophobia, and in a much more malignant, virulent and dangerous form.

Consider this:

I refuse to fall for a trap set by someone who mistakenly believes that definitions comprised of inherently finite and limited language can ever encapsulate the complexity of lived lives.

Then consider this:

I am a female born lesbian.

Then consider what the truth might be.

Ok let me rephrase that to "You are obsessed with policing identity and I am not, as it's clear that hate, prejudice and discrimination is enacted irrespective of precise definitions that no one will ever agree on anyway."

😂 Absolute piffle.

Yes, how are we to know when words are being used in the normal meaning or the Humpty Dumpty 'whatever I mean them to mean' way?

It renders all of Suggestions posts meaningless, as we cannot trust a single word. Who knows if 'I' even refers to Suggestions themself or someone else.

That is not an example of a gender critical feminist saying lesbians shouldn't use female spaces.

It's about where one was confused for a male, in this highly charged atmosphere where females are understandably, on HIGH ALERT for women in our spaces. It says nothing at all about lesbians.

You're not even trying.

These are the activists who think that a male literally becomes female because he grew a pair of moobs. Having a healthy relationship with reality isn't their forte.

Sexual orientation is not an identity.

Young men in Iran don’t get thrown off tall buildings because of their ‘identity’.

Sexual orientation is a fact not an ‘identity’ and it utterly homophobic to argue otherwise.

Meanwhile on the Isle of Arran....

How can you define hate if you refuse to define the group that the hate is aimed towards?

Homophobia and transphobia are interconnected and stem from the same root. They arise from authoritarian attitudes that believe in rigid gender binaries and actions taken to try to enforce that on others.

Given people who are sex realist and GC don’t believe in rigid gender binaries, by your words, it’s not us who are homophobic and transphobic. It’s not us saying gender binaries make someone a woman, it’s not us saying gender binaries make someone a woman and therefore a lesbian, it’s you. Your rigid gender binaries, and men meeting them, are what defines women and lesbians according to you. The rest of us deal with the reality of sex and same sex attraction.

You, and others, are engaged in a process of encouraging vulnerable minorities to turn against each other. We know this, we're not stupid, we have read the 'divide and conquer' tactics, we know the fraudulent narratives that you spin and regurgitate on boards like this, and we stand united against the hate.

You can’t even define the minorities you seek to represent or defend. To you, “minorities” includes heterosexual men. Your fraudulent narrative is that you claim to care about anyone other than the rights of these men.

Young women who are attracted to other women (lesbians), being told that this must mean they are men
Young men who are attracted to other men (gay men), being told that this must mean they are women

Oh please stop with the disingenuous salady retorts.

Men are men.
Women are women.
No-one on this board enacts hate, prejudice or discrimination.
We just want our own spaces and services.

Hope that’s nice and clear.

I have lesbian friends who say they feel physically sick at the sight of the progress pride flag

This Bergdorf.....

(Edited to add for the terminally dim, this is stuff he's said to lesbians)

So why has there been a thread started on FWR dedicated to minimising a homophobic hate crime?

You're the one who can't even define the groups it is supposed to be a hate crime against

If it turns out they were lesbian flags torn down by trans campaigners, will suggestions still agree it's a homophobic hate crime?

There is currently no hate crime category against women, but to be a hate crime it has to be a crime first - suggestions do you agree that tearing down feminist flags is a crime that should be investigated and prosecuted?

This case in Arran may or may not be anything to do with the perpetrator's political persuasions and the particular colours of the flags. We'll see. Both of the above however have taken place on multiple well documented occasions. Would be good to know we have your support suggestions.