Jolyon Maugham says his wife was targeted in changing room

[BobLobla]

On Bluesky yesterday. Sorry if there’s already a thread but I couldn’t see one. The replies would indicate this is a common thing. Really?

If people really thought butch lesbians were like men, that would translate into male advantage. However I can’t think of a single woman who has gained social capital in this way.

It’s only in ‘bathrooms’ that we hear about this, which suggests homophobia rather than actual concern.

I have been challenged on a few occasions, but I responded with a light 'It's OK, I'm in the right place' and immediately, as you say Pluvia
they still recognise we're women through our voices, our posture, our gait, our height, our shoulder width and our general vibe.

BTW what a powerful self-portrait of your current self - changed, changing, but still you

Women can identify other women, with big breasts or without breasts, with short hair, long hair, butch lesbians, we know WOMEN.

OK but wait. Jolyon was telling a story about how his wife was accosted in a changing room because someone thought she was a man. But YOU seem to be envisaging a story where a woman knew Jolyon's wife was a woman but just challenged her out of meanness.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Is it that men should be allowed in women's spaces? Or that 'mean' women shouldn't be allowed into changing rooms?

Anyway, it's all immaterial, because Jolyon's story isn't true. What IS true is that he must be an unusually cynical and nasty individual to use his wife's LIFE as a way to make a political point.

And I do feel sorry for his children. If they're on cross sex hormones, they're facing some very sad medical consequences a bit further down the line.

In that case, why do some women who identify as 'transmen' have their healthy breasts removed? It seems to be part of the identifying as men for them, so they do seem to think that removing their breasts makes them male (or more like males).

Given his personal circumstances, I can't understand why Jolyon spends so much time fighting for transwomen to access women's single sex facilities. Why isn't his focus on the young female NB and trans masc cohort who surely need to use either female spaces or gender neutral ones.

If this was true JM would absolutely name and shame the swimming pool concerned. It's not true.

And I do feel sorry for his children. If they're on cross sex hormones, they're facing some very sad medical consequences a bit further down the line.

Yes, it's grim. And at least one of them was involved in releasing the insects at the LGBA conference. What a strange dynamic in that household. Imagine the dinnertable conversations.

Because the purpose of the invention of transsexualism in children was to prop up a male fetish. Young women and girls identifying as trans are unimportant (they're female, after all), and they only exist as a human shield for frequent flyers to Malaga. This is probably rattling around in his subconscious somewhere, but it hasn't yet surfaced to show him how much harm he is doing to the children who are caught up in this. If it has, he's suppressing it because the alternative is to admit to himself how much harm he's done, including to his own children.

someone on twitter posted her screenshots from Bluesky and then screenshots of his X posts.

And her bluesky posts are no longer there. Good that people collect receipts.

What an interesting take, no one has suggested that women are all perfect, we’re simply saying that we find it extremely unlikely that any woman would feel the need to question a woman’s sex because she’d had a mastectomy, because we can obviously see that she’s a woman.

And his wife would back him up, which she hasn’t and has even deactivated her account.

I was at a cafe recently and was served by a transman. Massive shoulders, again a sparse and very dark goatee, but very obviously female from the voice, face, frame, height and delicate features. There would clearly be no need to challenge this person in a ladies' loo. Not that I'd challenge a man anyway for reasons previously covered!

Excellent point.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

That we should shut up? Perchance even cease to exist? But then who would they have to criticise and blame.

Oh my God. How did this man even pass an exam.

And how could he not have matured beyond the Just William school of lying to prove a point.

This ideology addles the brain. Between him and India Willoughby, the descent is really shocking.

I'm forced to conclude that the profound sexism that leads people to believe in it also massively affects other parts of their psyche.

I can't think of a single proponent of transgenderism who doesn't come across as unhinged. Not one.

Exactly.
I see she has also been dishonest on her Twitter account saying "gender criticals think women must have and not have certain body parts".

No, that's not the same as 'sex exists and sometimes it matters', ie the thing that GC people believe. Why try and mislead people if you're sure you're right? It's an odd way to behave.

This nails it

He's also claiming that the people challenging her were vigilantes!

In a public place, and her husband being a trigger happy lawyer!

Seriously.

It. addles. the. brain

She is manufacturing the argument that she would rather oppose.

Gets you likes on social media, but not very effective in court. Perhaps that is why JM loses so much.

consent accident innit?

Jolyon is not at all well in my view. This sort of behaviour is just one of the many things that makes me feel for his children. you're supposed to be the grown up Jolyon. You make the kind, hard decisions. Except you don't, do you?

It would appear that neither Mr or Mrs Maugham understand what they're talking about.

Gender critical means being critical of gender stereotypes.

In this context, it means you don't believe that gender stereotypes make someone a man or a woman.

Nothing to do with being flat chested!

I'm mean, why do they think we keep banging on about no, cutting your penis off doesn't make you a woman? It's literally the opposite of what she's saying.

And if she already floated this idea a month ago, you'd think they would've given it the smallest thought.

It's extraordinary that not only do they not know what women are talking about, they've actually got it backwards!

And these are the people who have been trusted with, what is it, half a million quid, to challenge the Supreme Court ruling!!

I cannot lie*. I wasn’t really confused

*unlike the kimonoed fox slaughterer

Those people are almost always male, not women in the female changing rooms at the pool.

Women and children are good at correctly sexing people. Men are not nearly as good at it (I suppose no evolutionary advantage) and are more likely to see “boobs=female”