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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I stuck my head above the parapet

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RedCrochetedWigFace · 16/05/2025 07:44

So I work for a smallish company but we have a few different branches throughout the country. I think each branch has a least one trans woman. I've no idea if we've any transmen. They don't make as much of a drama and noise if we do.

There is a staff group who are generally well meaning but they've started kicking off about how awful the supreme court ruling is blah blah blah. They are mostly women. I tried respectfully pointing out that no-one has lost any rights and that it's actually protecting women's rights.

I said that I want any trans people to feel comfortable at work and if that's not the case then action absolutely needs to be taken but that the supreme court judgement shouldn't make a difference to that. Someone said what about the "ugly women who look like men" who were dragged out of women's toilets. I said that was an awful thing to call a woman and misogynist. I was accused of avoiding the question. They said that the ruling meant that women who don't look/present as women will also suffer and seemed to think that undermined the argument that no ones rights were being negatively impacted.

I just reiterated that anyone feeling unsafe at work needs support regardless of gender/perceived gender or any other factor. I asked what the group wanted to achieve. They said they want trans people to feel safe at work. I dont think I hid my exasperation.

I'm pretty sure I was respectful throughout. I tried to be.

Now I have a meeting with my manager and HR on Tuesday. I have spoken with ACAS. It's not a formal meeting so I'm not allowed to take anyone in with me.

FFS.

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AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:09

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AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:12

LeftieRightsHoarder · 18/05/2025 09:02

Most orgs are just ignoring the law? Hmmm, let’s see how that turns out for them. Quite an few employers have discovered the financial cost of that recently, what a nasty shock.

Perhaps you could start a crowdfunder for employers who refuse to obey laws protecting women’s rights? I’m sure misogynists everywhere will pile in to that.

It's hilarious how you people insist on peddling the narrative there is some blanket ban on trans people or the law has changed. There isn't. It hasn't.

Not to mention there are no laws barring ANYONE from any toilets. You toilet obsessed moonbeams are so funny.

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:14

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/05/2025 19:27

Gosh, I appear to have touched a nerve.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/05/2025 19:28

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Well you clearly do because you made two replies to my posts which were deemed worthy of deletion within 10 minutes.

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:28

NeverOneBiscuit · 18/05/2025 09:22

Cakeblanchett

That post was, hands down, one of the very best I’ve ever read on Mumsnet, & I’ve been here on & off for a long time.

The TRAs had to come into this with #NoDebate as there literally is no debate when it comes to the material reality of biological sex.

Their only response to your post would be about essences, feelings, wrong bodies, gender, identity etc. It never stacks up, hence after the usual to & fro of their arguments they end up squealing transphobe, & hope whatever platform/organisation is involved will shut you down.

Put her long rant into Chat GPT. Ask it to analyse and counter. The confirmation bias and willingness to eagerly gobble up propaganda is wild lol. Absolutely fascinating.

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:30

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/05/2025 19:28

Well you clearly do because you made two replies to my posts which were deemed worthy of deletion within 10 minutes.

I have no idea what you're on about lol. Get a life. Checking a message board every five minutes is so 2000s 😂😂😂

Helleofabore · 18/05/2025 19:33

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:28

Put her long rant into Chat GPT. Ask it to analyse and counter. The confirmation bias and willingness to eagerly gobble up propaganda is wild lol. Absolutely fascinating.

Want to post what was propaganda in that post ? It just seems you have nothing but ad hom comments at the moment.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/05/2025 19:35

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:30

I have no idea what you're on about lol. Get a life. Checking a message board every five minutes is so 2000s 😂😂😂

I have notifications saying you replied to my posts and when I went to see them they had already been deleted. It's not rocket science.

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:38

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/05/2025 19:35

I have notifications saying you replied to my posts and when I went to see them they had already been deleted. It's not rocket science.

Who gives a crap? Honestly lol

murasaki · 18/05/2025 19:38

You have been deleted a lot in this thread.

I would say play the ball not the man, but on this topic maybe it's not the best phrase 🤣

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:38

Helleofabore · 18/05/2025 19:33

Want to post what was propaganda in that post ? It just seems you have nothing but ad hom comments at the moment.

No

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/05/2025 19:38

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:38

Who gives a crap? Honestly lol

You, apparently.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/05/2025 19:39

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:38

Who gives a crap? Honestly lol

Evidently you do as you keep appearing on here and abusing women 🙄

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:41

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murasaki · 18/05/2025 19:42

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But you have never given a coherent explanation as to why those charming chaps are in fact women.

potpourree · 18/05/2025 19:43

So many people proved right so many times by one poster in one thread - it's a gift!

GC women couldn't ask for more. Please, keep going! Does Azure want to imagine, for example, whether I'm fat, or disabled? Bet you've got some views on immigrants and neurodiverse people as well? Keep them coming! We want to see the true views of those who oppose feminism.

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:45

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murasaki · 18/05/2025 19:46

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OK, jumped the shark for the last time.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/05/2025 19:47

murasaki · 18/05/2025 19:42

But you have never given a coherent explanation as to why those charming chaps are in fact women.

No evidence azure does coherent. Abusive, rude, tantrums, whining, misogyny - all evident in the posts that have't been deleted as far as I can see. But I'm sure there's a reason azure has spent so much time rage dumping on here? 😁

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:49

murasaki · 18/05/2025 19:46

OK, jumped the shark for the last time.

I mean 👋🤷

I stuck my head above the parapet
AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:54

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AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:59

potpourree · 18/05/2025 19:43

So many people proved right so many times by one poster in one thread - it's a gift!

GC women couldn't ask for more. Please, keep going! Does Azure want to imagine, for example, whether I'm fat, or disabled? Bet you've got some views on immigrants and neurodiverse people as well? Keep them coming! We want to see the true views of those who oppose feminism.

The Venn diagram of racists, transphobes, Zionists, anti-immigrants and right wing evangelical christofascists is a circle.

Cut the crap. You're not feminists. How can you be feminists when your feminism is not intersectional?

You're transphobes.

Stepfordian · 18/05/2025 20:01

AzureCritic · 18/05/2025 19:59

The Venn diagram of racists, transphobes, Zionists, anti-immigrants and right wing evangelical christofascists is a circle.

Cut the crap. You're not feminists. How can you be feminists when your feminism is not intersectional?

You're transphobes.

Who put 50p in the dickhead?