Why don't trans women care if women feel unsafe?

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I listened to the Stephen Nolan show earlier on BBC Sounds. They were discussing the FA ban on male players in the female category. A lady from SEEN in Sport was on and was great.

Then there were two transwomen on (one who is involved with Mermaids). There was lots of talk about their feelings and some quite infuriating twisting of scientific fact (women come in all shapes and sizes, so transwomen have no advantage). But one thing that came up several times was how they didn't feel safe using male facilities. Stephen Nolan did the faux naive thing quite effectively and tried to turn it around to get them to consider other people's viewpoints, unsuccessfully. It was back to their feelings again. The levels of entitlement was quite astonishing.

Why don't they ever consider women who feel unsafe sharing spaces with males? Is it because these women are just bigots that need to be re-educated and reframe their trauma?

Because they’re narcissists.

They do care. They actively enjoy it.

"Trans" is no longer primarily about gender dysphoria, at least in males - it's mainly an aspect of a cluster B personality disorder.

Wikipedia summary:

Cluster B personality disorders are characterized by dramatic, impulsive, self-destructive, emotional behavior and sometimes incomprehensible interactions with others.

• Antisocial personality disorder – pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, lack of empathy, lack of remorse, callousness, bloated self-image, and manipulative and impulsive behavior
• Borderline personality disorder – pervasive pattern of abrupt emotional outbursts, fear of abandonment, unhealthy attachment, altered empathy, and instability in relationships, self-image, identity, behavior and affect, often leading to self-harm and impulsivity
• Histrionic personality disorder – pervasive pattern of attention-seeking behavior, including excessive emotions, an impressionistic style of speech, inappropriate seduction, exhibitionism, and egocentrism
• Narcissistic personality disorder – pervasive pattern of grandiosity, haughtiness, intense anger towards criticism, overwhelming envy, need for admiration, deceptive and vindictive tendencies, and lack of empathy (and, in more severe expressions, criminal behavior with remorse).

Because underneath it all they are really men with all the privilege and arrogance that it brings

Because if female people feel unsafe around them, it is a great indication that they are not ‘women’ as they insist they are.

Because it may have nothing to do with respecting female people and everything to do with being fully supported in their philosophical belief about themselves not being ‘male’.

Because they may be misogynists and having female people have to comply with policies that force acceptance is a large part of the reason to demand to be centred as a ‘female’.

The list is long. And this is just three reasons.

Because they’re narcissistic men with zero empathy or feeling for anyone or anything but their own wants

Because even the nicest ones were socialised as men, where everything is about them, the world revolves around them. So when it's a choice between their own feelings and somebody else's feelings, they don't even think about it: they automatically prioritise their own feelings.

And then you have all the not so nice, or not nice at all ones...

Male privilege.

Honestly, I have heard entitled arguments from TRAs loads of times before, but this just blew my mind because there was zero empathy for anyone else.

And I am so sick of the mental health card being played and the implied threats of suicide if they don't get what they want. And the 'be kind': brigade fall for it every time.

To be fair to Stephen Nolan, he did push back a lot, and the transwoman from Mermaids was clearly pissed off. But then at the end some awful woman came on who dismissed the whole thing as a right-wing dog whistle 🙄

...with a good sprinkling of sociopaths

Oh they do care about their impact on women - in fact they revel in it.

And they’re men.

Double whammy.

Male entitlement.

And I am so sick of the mental health card being played and the implied threats of suicide if they don't get what they want.

This is a classic tactic from abusive men.

But yeah, you're all right. Male entitled combined with the pressure on women to be sympathetic and kind, and here we are.

And sociopaths.

Triple whammy.

because they think they look gawjuss and we can never 'tell' even though they stand out like the proverbial, in there ridiculousness

Because they are men.

For some, it’s simply they are men, they feel the role of women is to accommodate them. They are used to getting their own way. They have no experience of being a woman, so they don’t empathize with women.

For others, they actually enjoy forcing women to do what they want. The control and humiliation of women is the point.

Some will have conditions that genuinely reduce their empathy, and Centre their own ego and experiences over all others.

It is well worth searching for some of the threads where a man with trans identity participated in a discussion, there's been a number of regular posters over the years. Not the plop and run ones, but ones who actually engaged in sustained conversation.

You'll notice in all of them the condescension, the patronising, the utter belief in being the arbiter entitled to decide what women may have and what their truth is, and what validity can be given to anything women say. What level of safety they should rationally be entitled to be given by men, and what is reasonable for men to permit them. One of the oldest articles about the cotton ceiling has a writer saying in baffled indignation how lesbians 'resist the penis' as if it is so bewildering that they create this barrier to what he wishes to use them for even after he has instructed them on what to think and perceive.

In many cases when that is unpicked, you see anger and sometimes, thinking of one poster in particular who was able to talk in depth about it, rage and resentment that women have got away with too much as a class and deserve punishment, (not serving in WW2 often comes up), that they have things that they wilfully and maliciously withhold from poor men (clothes, experiences), and that they have entitlements that they should be forcibly stripped of. (Overprotection, freedoms.) It bleeds quite fast towards the core resentments and the ego injuries within incellism in some cases.

You don't see a lot of healthy attitudes towards women, or reciprocation, or genuine empathy as opposed to what is useful in gaining what is wanted.

I heard it too. Both of the TW simply ignored the really reasonable questions Nolan was asking and just talked about transwomen/themselves. I was disappointed Nolan didn’t push back on the ‘women come in all shapes and sizes’. Overall though, thought he was great - and his podcast is required listening imo

They are men and there is no issue with their being in male spaces - to claim they feel unsafe can only be a made up claim to validate their desire to be in female spaces - it should be challenged - transwomen are men and already have their own spaces - male areas.

So the reputation mumsnet has for transphobia is true then

This.

Narcissists. All about them.

That won't wash here, sunshine.