Why don't trans women care if women feel unsafe?

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I listened to the Stephen Nolan show earlier on BBC Sounds. They were discussing the FA ban on male players in the female category. A lady from SEEN in Sport was on and was great.

Then there were two transwomen on (one who is involved with Mermaids). There was lots of talk about their feelings and some quite infuriating twisting of scientific fact (women come in all shapes and sizes, so transwomen have no advantage). But one thing that came up several times was how they didn't feel safe using male facilities. Stephen Nolan did the faux naive thing quite effectively and tried to turn it around to get them to consider other people's viewpoints, unsuccessfully. It was back to their feelings again. The levels of entitlement was quite astonishing.

Why don't they ever consider women who feel unsafe sharing spaces with males? Is it because these women are just bigots that need to be re-educated and reframe their trauma?

Do none of you have a child who is struggling with their sexual identity? The lack of empathy is staggering - I agree it’s an emotive subject, but is it really as important as the climate emergency or the wars in Gaza, Ukraine, etc, etc?

If you are having anything labelled as for women, it doesn't include men, even those ones who would prefer not to be.

Whether it's gaelic football, loos, prisons, lesbianism or a ukulele playing riverdance troupe.

I expect the local Jehovah's Witnesses are baffled and hurt that I don't want to accept Jesus as my saviour and become part of the chosen ones like them. Doesn't mean I have to let them in my house and join their church. I'm allowed to have my own views and beliefs which accord with material reality.

Transwomen are men. Their own ideas about themselves don't make them any less men and the fact that they don't understand that everyone else doesn't have to believe what they believe, or do what they want, makes them about as male-coded as can be.

I mean, yes, you're right, "because they're male and we don't want them in our spaces" should be a good enough reason.

But not only is that not considered a good enough reason, "we are actually unsafe because this group includes a number of people who have actually committed violent crimes against women in women's spaces and a much greater number who repeatedly make threats of violence against us" is not considered a good enough reason either.

What has sexual orientation got to do with gender identity please?

And why are you so arrogant that you think that you should be able to prioritise what women campaign for?

Firstly, we can care about more than one thing at once. But secondly, if someone finds this more important than Gaza or climate change, that’s perfectly OK and not for anyone else to scold them over.

Can I only think about things you think are important?

crikey

You know that trans isn't a type of gay, right?

Ah, the drive by scolders. Following such a predictable pattern that it's just white noise now.

It goes -

• pick a thread which doesn't reference a specific incident or event. There's a reason the scolders haven't appeared on the Darlington Nurses thread which has been in Trending all day
• make claims of 'reasonableness' while saying...well, pretty much what every poster here says (see - third spaces etc)
• make a very predictable comment along the lines of 'it's so transphobic here!!!'
• make claims but not actually back them up with evidence. Evade the question while still posting and then claim that they need to leave the thread/do a massive flounce telling us all to have a good think.
• use a combination of the words echo chamber, pile on, aggressive or educate yourselves
• other posters will inevitably appear to praise the stance the scolder has taken but will not appear on the thread again at all.
• depending on whether it's a true believer or a be kinder, the phrases 'I didn't realise that' or 'I'll look into that more' may appear.

It's so tedious. The only good thing is that we sometimes see actual live action peaking as the lurkers get a beautiful example of TRA 'logic'.

Because they - these ones - only care about themselves.

In fact often it's very homohobic.

Yes. The sex based rights of over 51% of the human race do indeed matter. A lot.

“The issue I have is that it’s clear not one person who is commenting knows anyone trans.”

BINGO.

Do I get to call Bingo?

This is a thread about the lack of empathy transwomen have for females, and you @pippy1958 , have managed to DARVO and turn it around that us females are the ones who lack empathy. Wow. Look in the mirror and do some long hard reflection.

YES, womens right to safety, privacy and dignity are every bit as important as those issues.

Let me turn it around; is the self-indulgent trans lobby and their demands to violate womens spaces and boundaries "really as important as the climate emergency or the wars in Gaza, Ukraine, etc, etc?"
When we have these issues, why are transwomen marching calling for 'terfs' to be decapitated and urinating on feminist statues?

I was once such a child, so yes, I do have a lot of empathy for them. Not sure what this has to do with the rest of this thread, though?

You have forgotten how none of us know anyone trans.

Don't bother with that nonsense.
We don't fall for it here.

And in answer to the OP, they hate women. This has just provided them with a socially acceptable avenue to express that hate and misogyny.

I know what you mean, but I'm referring to how some trans women view themselves, not how some women view them.

Because they view themselves as women they struggle to sympathise with why other women have a problem with them sharing the bathroom/changing room with them.

I miss clownfish. The regular use of dog whistle and echo chamber just aren’t the same.

Hadn’t clocked that but you are right.

That's rather narcissistic though, isn't it?

They demand empathy from us and yet show us none in return.

Oh do bore off dear

Well I view myself as 5 foot ten and a size 4 and can't understand why I'm not walking the catwalk at Milan fashion week.

Unfortunately for all of us, reality is a thing.

Inclusive first approach you say - yes ensuring trans people are included within the spaces, services and sports for their sex. Excellent.

We would never have come to this situation if the above had happened or if trans people got off their backsides and campaigned for separate additional spaces, services and sports relevant to their particular needs if the ones provided for them based on their sex were not enough.

But no, they didn't do that they just took forcefully took what was never theirs in the first place and then demonised, vilified and threatened those women who, quite rightly, pushed back. You know how you tried to demonise us in your first few posts. It won't wash anymore, if proof were ever needed of the virulent, hateful misogyny at the heart of al this then the reactions by the trans side to the Supreme Court judgement illuminate that perfectly.