Cisgender lesbian forcibly removed from toilets by male security after being wrongly accused of being a man

[Christinapple]

This isn't the first time this has happened is it? I expect IMHO there will be more cases like this happening given the current obsession with trans people and how masculine or feminine people look.

https://gomag.com/article/hotel-guard-barges-into-womens-restroom-accuses-lesbian-guest-of-being-a-man/

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/07/liberty-hotel-boston-bathroom-lesbian-trans/

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/same-sex-couple-demands-answers-after-hotel-security-threw-one-out-of-bathroom-thinking-she-was-a-man/ar-AA1Eh00e

"A woman and her girlfriend were thrown out of a luxurious five-star hotel after a security guard allegedly accused her of being a man using a female bathroom.
Ansley Baker and her partner, Liz Victor, were at the Liberty Hotel in Boston, Massachusetts, attending a Kentucky Derby party on Saturday.

The couple was using the women’s restroom in the foyer when they heard a bang on the stall doors, they told CBS News Boston.
Baker said she was in one of the stalls as Victor waited around the corner near the sinks. The hotel says that security was alerted by several women that the couple was sharing a single stall. Baker and Victor deny being in the same stall.
The male security guard allegedly began urging Baker, who was born a woman and identifies as a woman, to get out of the bathroom and accused her of being a man
“All of a sudden there was banging on the door,” Baker told the local news station. “I pulled my shorts up. I hadn't even tied them. One of the security guards was there telling me to get out of the bathroom, that I was a man in the women's bathroom. I said, ‘I'm a woman.’”"

So boringly predictable 🙄 I was questioned in a Ladies toilet many years ago when I was in my teens. I wasn’t offended in the slightest - I was amused actually. There are numerous people on X describing similar and how they also weren’t fussed.

The real story is why sad losers keep trying to use lesbians to insist that male people should be allowed in our spaces. 🙄

Sadly, I doubt Chris will be back. Shame, I wanted to hear the definition of cis - and test why it’s ok to assume all women who don’t declare themselves trans must have a womanly identity. I know lots who don’t …..

Got anything from a reputable news source, Christina? Ideally a UK based one?

Something happens in Boston, USA of course it's the fault of British feminist 🙄

In any case, once men, however they identify, stop invading womens spaces, the less and less this will happen. We managed for centuries before so no reason why we can't again

I googled the lady in this case. She looks like a woman and sounds like a woman. She's tall and has short hair, but could not easily be mistaken for a man (potentially if only from behind).

Here's a link with an interview with her

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kbtx.com/2025/05/06/woman-says-security-guard-kicked-her-out-womens-restroom-asked-her-prove-her-gender/%3foutputType=amp

Btw, the hotel says that they were sharing a stall and that's not allowed. Baker denies this. Who knows what happened.

What's clear though is that this lady doesn't look like any trans woman I've seen.

When are people like the OP going to realise that nobody is getting mixed up between female people who present in a masculine way and male people who present in a feminine way?

Trans women and butch lesbians really couldn't look much more different if they tried.

It's not happening now. It's all made up.

I don’t mind whether Chris comes back or not. Even a single comment like that does our work for us.

BTW, Chris, there’s only ONE type of lesbian - the female kind - so nobody needs your daft and meaningless ‘cis’.

As soon as I saw the OP I knew this would be you Chris. You're a glutton for punishment - everything you post is systematically demolished and dismantled.

Thank you-I'm quite thick skinned especially when it comes to online strangers but that thread-some of the comments were just truly awful and really hit hard, given I am so against men in women's spaces.

Being accused like that when i was doing the opposite, asking for help for a marginalised female, was just horrible.

I did get some lovely messages of sympathy following it, which really did help.

Yes, my 'ex ex' was a lot more confident. To be fair (and I think I mentioned it in the thread I linked, and strangely enough), my ex had an identical twin who'd do the exact same as her! Top up, bra revealed, job done! But my girlfriend (her twin) at the time of that thread was a lot more shy and reserved about her body. It just wasn't an option for her.

I think it is something a lot of butch/masculine/non 'girly' women do often.

It's in the Guardian, too.
However, I, too, think that either there is more to the story, or it's a predictable problem as people are now more aware that men could enter women's spaces and are overzealous in their approach.
If you knew only women entered a women only space, as it used to be, people wouldn't be so hypervigilant.

Yet still no lesbian President?

Very odd that women can’t gain male privilege by appearing more masculine.

Almost as though they aren’t actually mistaken for men and face discrimination for being gender non-conforming.

OH MY GOD
Thank you so much OP
I have read this article about a man behaving in aggressive manner to 2 women thousands of miles away and have now totally changed my stance on men coming into women only spaces

"Very odd that women can’t gain male privilege by appearing more masculine"
@Merrymouse

Excellent point, not only for this thread but for many of the debates.

Hereis the article I mentioned:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/06/boston-hotel-bathroom-same-sex-couple

Seems if that is true, the security guard was very harsh; but there are two different retellings of the story. Difficult to verify either way.

So what, it was in the USA.

It is impossible to tell if a person is a man or a woman by looking at them - obviously.
Masculine/androgynous cis women are now in a position where they will have to ‘prove’ that they are cis women. What will they have to so to prove this and who/m will judge them?
This entire circus show is detracting everyone from the very real issues cis/trans women and trans men face.

So a man invaded the women's loos instead of a female staff member going in, based on an inaccurate report, and this is somehow gender-critical women's fault? First Rule of Misogyny right there.

The hotel says that security was alerted by several women that the couple was sharing a single stall.

If I got a report that a man and a woman were in a toilet cubicle, my concern would be that a sexual assault was taking place. I would hope that, were I being sexually assaulted in a women's loo, that a female staff member would investigate and intervene. What do you think should happen, Chris? That the staff should shrug and say "nothing we can do, we might be accused of transphobia if we try"? Who benefits from deterring bystander intervention, and who is harmed?

How did the system work before?

“So a man invaded the women's loos instead of a female staff member going in, based on an inaccurate report, and this is somehow gender-critical women's fault? First Rule of Misogyny right there.”

If there were concerns there was a man in women’s lavs, wouldn't it be riskier for a woman to go in and deal with it?

Why say cis when you could have said woman?

Do you have any uk reports?

I’m also not sure that her (the WOMAN’S) sexuality had anything to do with it? Did it tick another box?

Reading this story makes me think that some Americans are very entrenched in ideas about gender, expectations of what women should look like. So short hair and tall is enough to be considered significantly “gender non-conforming”. The apparent mistake wasn’t that they thought this woman was a transwoman, they thought she was male. So it’s not anything to do with being a lesbian or someone being trans. It’s about how some Americans expect people to conform to traditional gender roles and haven’t got the capacity to recognise that women can be tall and have short hair. Which is interesting and disappointing, but tells me nothing about the UK and the recent ruling of the Supreme Court.

Yes, I can see this being a thing

How could you approach a trans woman in a female bathroom and ask them to leave as they would just tell you they are a woman and then question if you are even a real woman…..it would just go nowhere

That's easy. All women will have to show ID to enter women's spaces.
The law of unintended consequences.

They have to use Newspeak. If they hadn’t clarified it was a “cis” or in old speak “female” lesbian, then it wouldn’t have had the same impact. People would be wondering if it might have been one of those newfangled “male lesbians” and most people agree they shouldn’t be in women’s toilets anyway.

Oddly, like every other “cis” lesbian who’s had this happen and complained to the press, rather than saying lesbians like her were being unfairly treated, she made this unrelated comment:

“It was a very scary situation, but trans women experience this every single day in the US and across the world.”

Why all the lesbians this happens to are more concerned about men than about their fellow lesbians is a mystery

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