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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cisgender lesbian forcibly removed from toilets by male security after being wrongly accused of being a man

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Christinapple · 07/05/2025 15:51

This isn't the first time this has happened is it? I expect IMHO there will be more cases like this happening given the current obsession with trans people and how masculine or feminine people look.

https://gomag.com/article/hotel-guard-barges-into-womens-restroom-accuses-lesbian-guest-of-being-a-man/

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/07/liberty-hotel-boston-bathroom-lesbian-trans/

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/same-sex-couple-demands-answers-after-hotel-security-threw-one-out-of-bathroom-thinking-she-was-a-man/ar-AA1Eh00e

"A woman and her girlfriend were thrown out of a luxurious five-star hotel after a security guard allegedly accused her of being a man using a female bathroom.
Ansley Baker and her partner, Liz Victor, were at the Liberty Hotel in Boston, Massachusetts, attending a Kentucky Derby party on Saturday.

The couple was using the women’s restroom in the foyer when they heard a bang on the stall doors, they told CBS News Boston.
Baker said she was in one of the stalls as Victor waited around the corner near the sinks. The hotel says that security was alerted by several women that the couple was sharing a single stall. Baker and Victor deny being in the same stall.
The male security guard allegedly began urging Baker, who was born a woman and identifies as a woman, to get out of the bathroom and accused her of being a man
“All of a sudden there was banging on the door,” Baker told the local news station. “I pulled my shorts up. I hadn't even tied them. One of the security guards was there telling me to get out of the bathroom, that I was a man in the women's bathroom. I said, ‘I'm a woman.’”"

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MistyGreenAndBlue · 08/05/2025 14:05

suggestionsplease1 · 07/05/2025 21:28

Well you could look at the best performing countries in the world for women in the major international surveys eg Women, Peace and Security Index, and The Global Gender Gap Report. Then you would see that, for both, 8 of 10 of the best places in the world to be a woman also, according to you and to Mumsnet FWR, apparently don't know what a woman is (have policies of gender self ID)

If they have self ID then any stats they have on women are meaningless since self identified men will be included in those stats by default.

We have no way of knowing which "women" they refer to.

You just proved the point we are making that "they don't know what a woman is"
So... thanks for that

Datun · 08/05/2025 15:46

Helleofabore · 08/05/2025 09:47

I see we are again being told to believe some world economic forum and the like superficial overview (rubbish in / rubbish out) on women’s safety etc is somehow relevant to self ID.

It is a never ending plea for relevance and an endless cycle where the person making the declaration cannot see past their ideology to see the flaws in their claims.

It is a never ending plea for relevance

What a shame suggestions didn't intervene on behalf of transwomen everywhere, with their big book of statistics. I'm sure the panel would've reversed their decision immediately.

RhannionKPSS · 08/05/2025 15:56

No such thing as “ cis” , men are not and never can be women

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 08/05/2025 15:59

suggestionsplease1 · 07/05/2025 21:28

Well you could look at the best performing countries in the world for women in the major international surveys eg Women, Peace and Security Index, and The Global Gender Gap Report. Then you would see that, for both, 8 of 10 of the best places in the world to be a woman also, according to you and to Mumsnet FWR, apparently don't know what a woman is (have policies of gender self ID)

Not so much.

  1. Malta has has no legal access to abortion but has self-id. I'm sure it's great being a woman of reproductive age there.
  2. We cannot trust figures about how great women's lives are from states that let any man decide that he's a woman, because a) some of the "women" are actually men, and b) if a state will lie about the sex of its citizens, it can't be trusted to tell the truth about anything else.
Helleofabore · 08/05/2025 17:22

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 08/05/2025 15:59

Not so much.

  1. Malta has has no legal access to abortion but has self-id. I'm sure it's great being a woman of reproductive age there.
  2. We cannot trust figures about how great women's lives are from states that let any man decide that he's a woman, because a) some of the "women" are actually men, and b) if a state will lie about the sex of its citizens, it can't be trusted to tell the truth about anything else.

Sadly, selffellatingouroborosofhate, the issues with the indexes that this poster continues to post have been pointed out for many threads now. The same set of indexes in different versions keep being posted though with the same irrelevant point about self-identification.

Helleofabore · 08/05/2025 17:23

Datun · 08/05/2025 15:46

It is a never ending plea for relevance

What a shame suggestions didn't intervene on behalf of transwomen everywhere, with their big book of statistics. I'm sure the panel would've reversed their decision immediately.

If the information was at all relevant, it would be spread far and wide over the internet as a 'look ... see.... we said....' The fact that it is not should have been a warning sign from the fucking beginning.

KrankyKumquat · 08/05/2025 17:53

@selffellatingouroborosofhate
First rule of statistics - correlation is not causation. Maybe, just maybe, women in these countries are doing relatively despite not because of self-ID.

Helleofabore · 08/05/2025 21:17

I saw this today and thought it was really interesting.

https://x.com/rocknroller2019/status/1920553022347730977?s=46

1000 photos of this person using the male toilets with no incidents to document that it can be done. Seems like a good project.

https://x.com/rocknroller2019/status/1920553022347730977?s=46

FlakyCritic · 08/05/2025 21:54

Again proof of what males invading female only safe spaces have caused. Solely their fault. This is jus proof of that.

FlakyCritic · 09/05/2025 09:08

suggestionsplease1 · 07/05/2025 21:28

Well you could look at the best performing countries in the world for women in the major international surveys eg Women, Peace and Security Index, and The Global Gender Gap Report. Then you would see that, for both, 8 of 10 of the best places in the world to be a woman also, according to you and to Mumsnet FWR, apparently don't know what a woman is (have policies of gender self ID)

Correlation does not equal causation as you've been told repeatedly. Patriarchal countries doing well economically does not prove anything.

FlakyCritic · 09/05/2025 09:16

CassOle · 08/05/2025 09:05

I see that Suggesions is scraping the barrel again.

Sigh.

I think they've lost the link they spam this site with over and over, despite having their arse handed to them on here each and every single time.

TheKeatingFive · 09/05/2025 09:43

There's so much nuance under the surface on this issue.

To take one example. There's an extraordinary undercurrent of misogyny in Irish society that raises its head in bizarre ways.

Right now, players of camogie (a very popular sport for women) are banned by the governing body from wearing shorts at matches. They are supposed to wear skirts (or 'skorts'). There will be multiple protests at matches across the country this weekend about this.

This includes grown women, playing for their county.

So just one small example, but indicative that these countries are far from the enlightened feminist paradises they're being made out to be.

MarieDeGournay · 09/05/2025 10:21

I keep seeing this thread title and thinking 'Oh no! not another cisgender lesbian* forcibly removed from toilets by male security after being wrongly accused of being a man yesterday! This is disgraceful - clearly a sustained campaign of harassment against every cisgender lesbian in the USA...'

But no, it's just one. In a country with a population of 347,276,000.

To be fair, it's not a one-off isolated incident: Christinapple managed to find another example, last March.
So that's TWO in a country with a population of 347,276,000.

*obviously I'm quoting 'cisgender lesbian' for effect, not because I think it means anything🙄

Realityisreal · 09/05/2025 10:31

Helleofabore · 08/05/2025 21:17

I saw this today and thought it was really interesting.

https://x.com/rocknroller2019/status/1920553022347730977?s=46

1000 photos of this person using the male toilets with no incidents to document that it can be done. Seems like a good project.

There's someone that gives a shit about women and has their feet firmly planted in reality.
What a great role model for trans people everywhere.

ThatCyanCat · 09/05/2025 11:00

Realityisreal · 09/05/2025 10:31

There's someone that gives a shit about women and has their feet firmly planted in reality.
What a great role model for trans people everywhere.

And who is a fabulous proponent of self acceptance and what it actually means to be and embrace one's authentic self. Demanding that everyone around you see and treat you as something you aren't is not living authentically. It's the exact opposite. It makes you untrue to yourself and, therefore, to everyone.

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