Cisgender lesbian forcibly removed from toilets by male security after being wrongly accused of being a man

[Christinapple]

This isn't the first time this has happened is it? I expect IMHO there will be more cases like this happening given the current obsession with trans people and how masculine or feminine people look.

https://gomag.com/article/hotel-guard-barges-into-womens-restroom-accuses-lesbian-guest-of-being-a-man/

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/07/liberty-hotel-boston-bathroom-lesbian-trans/

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/same-sex-couple-demands-answers-after-hotel-security-threw-one-out-of-bathroom-thinking-she-was-a-man/ar-AA1Eh00e

"A woman and her girlfriend were thrown out of a luxurious five-star hotel after a security guard allegedly accused her of being a man using a female bathroom.
Ansley Baker and her partner, Liz Victor, were at the Liberty Hotel in Boston, Massachusetts, attending a Kentucky Derby party on Saturday.

The couple was using the women’s restroom in the foyer when they heard a bang on the stall doors, they told CBS News Boston.
Baker said she was in one of the stalls as Victor waited around the corner near the sinks. The hotel says that security was alerted by several women that the couple was sharing a single stall. Baker and Victor deny being in the same stall.
The male security guard allegedly began urging Baker, who was born a woman and identifies as a woman, to get out of the bathroom and accused her of being a man
“All of a sudden there was banging on the door,” Baker told the local news station. “I pulled my shorts up. I hadn't even tied them. One of the security guards was there telling me to get out of the bathroom, that I was a man in the women's bathroom. I said, ‘I'm a woman.’”"

It is impossible to tell if a person is a man or a woman by looking at them - obviously.

This peer-reviewed journal paper begs to differ, along with many like it. https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/csearticles/95/

Humans can tell sex by the face alone, this is settled science.

What? Don’t even get what you mean but basically a couple were making people feel uncomfortable in the loos - in reality the probably went into the loos of a fancy hotel to get frisky in the stalls, someone complained and the security guard asked them to leave, they weren’t leaving (because it takes so long to pull up your pants right?) and he got annoyed and they had a rude exchange - maybe he did says she was a man. Maybe he thought she was or he was being a dick who knows.

here’s the thing though, even if a lovely woman was doing nothing wrong and a security guard though she was a man and asked her to leave, what do you suppose we do? I’m guessing you think the way to avoid embarrassment for the one in 300million Americans who have been kicked out of a loo for looking masculine is to let men use women’s loos freely so no one has to question it… is that right?

or is it just men who wear dresses? should we still kick up a fuss if a man who “looks like a man” comes in to our loos? What if he’s slapped on some lippy? At what level of maleness do we scream? or do we need to keep our mouths shut for fear of offending a man who might not like being called a man?

Send two women in then. What I don't want, if I'm being sexually assaulted, is another man turning up because he might be there to join in.

"Insane thing happens in USA" isn't exactly news is it? The entire country is a complete bin fire at the moment.

On the plus side, noone got shot so that probably counts as a good outcome over there.

I've said this before so apologies. But...I'm nearly 60 yrs old, tall, shortish hair, never wear a frock, blah, blah. I've been mistaken for a bloke frequently since childhood, still happens perhaps once a year. Not just in toilets but can be something like being called 'mate' by a random stranger in the supermarket. You know what? It doesn't bother me at all. Invariably, I just speak or turn round and the other person apologises or looks embarrassed. If it starts happening more often and more aggressively, I'll be really pissed off that men using women's facilities has led to this.

it really isn't.

It literally says in the OP that the report was made about two people in the same stall (which the couple deny being the case)

We will need ID to pee?

It is, clearly, have a look at the OP original post.

No.

It isn't.

@dylexicdementor11 please don’t use the word cis. It is extremely transphobic. Educate yourself. Do better.

Gosh! If only some idiots hadn't been so willing to let any Tom Dick or Harry into women's single sex spaces the social contract would have remained in place.

Chris you can post as many links as you like as often as you like, but we still don't men in women's single sex spaces.

Is this parody? I can’t tell anymore.

It's always the big apple 😂

Of course not 🙄 Humans - particularly women - can sex other humans at a high degree of accuracy. Even babies can do it.

Post a photo of those poor masculine looking women, I’m sure there must be at least one somewhere.

Didn't ChristinaApple post this exact story before, or am I misremembering?

Not just me having deja vu then.

Not just you, I thought this was an old thread brought back into active.

Did we need to before? No. So your post is just dishonestly catastrophising.

I mean, how on earth did we survive without having to ID people before some male people decided to non consensually use the female toilets?

The responses to this thread are really weak! The most anyone can say is ‘well it’s YOUR fault this happening!’

This highlights what is obviously wrong with the SC clarification and EHRC ‘guidance’: it’s impossible to enforce.

I am a femme woman but my wife who is a butch woman sometimes gets people questioning her gender or accidentally called ‘sir’ or ‘mister’, and I know it’s only a matter of time before she’s questioned when just trying to use the bathroom. I find that sad and scary.

It’s a massive issue and other than passing blame I haven’t seen it be addressed properly on here yet. If falls into the pile of things people on here would rather ignore, like male cleaners in toilets or the fact trans men dare to exist.

“People are remarkably accurate (approaching ceiling) at deciding whether faces are male or female, even when cues from hair style, makeup, and facial hair are minimised.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8474840/#:~:text=People%20are%20remarkably%20accurate%20(approaching,sex%20of%20faces%20are%20reported.

And that’s just their faces. Adding in height and other body signs, the success rate is around 99%, I believe.

Oh thank god…i thought i was losing it

Well… you see… the thing is….. if men hadn’t insisted on forcing their way into women’s spaces, it’d all be fine. Go shout at them. I mean, what happened before all this? It’s only since men decided women’s loos were nicer that women started getting questioned. Take it up with the men.